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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    Two questions:
    How many would you bring over? An actual number per year.
    Are we currently helping refugees from camps around the world get to Australia?
    How many would YOU bring?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    Our PM is at least stopping the boats. No boats now for 8 weeks!

    Chris Kenny in the Australian provides a list of comments from people who should now be apologising to Abbott and Morrison.



    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nati...07#mm-register

    How stupid they all look now.
    I'd rather see the boats arrive safely and people given asylum than have them turned around and towed back to Indonesia. Towing them back doesn't count as 'stopping the boats'

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    The Lib anti boats stance has nothing to do with saving lives. It has to do with keeping outsiders out of the country.... bc hey, those chain mails say that asylum seekers get more than our aged pensioners! It's a policy bore out of xenophobia and myths, not out of genuine concern for those people's safety.

    Even Malcom Fraser as a Liberal member and PM has said this govt is the furthest right, even for a liberal party since their inception, and that Abbott is dangerous. 'Nuff said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMadHatter View Post
    I'd rather see the boats arrive safely and people given asylum than have them turned around and towed back to Indonesia.
    But are you happy to accept a death rate of 4%? (former Immigration Minister Bowen's number). It is easy to say that you would rather see them arrive safely, but unfortunately, some of them end up dead. It is reality, and ignoring the deaths is in no way compassionate.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheMadHatter View Post
    Towing them back doesn't count as 'stopping the boats'
    It does when they realise that the boat journey no longer works. It is a temporary measure to stop the flow. Once the flow is stopped, it obviously would no longer be required.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    But are you happy to accept a death rate of 4%? (former Immigration Minister Bowen's number). It is easy to say that you would rather see them arrive safely, but unfortunately, some of them end up dead. It is reality, and ignoring the deaths is in no way compassionate.



    It does when they realise that the boat journey no longer works. It is a temporary measure to stop the flow. Once the flow is stopped, it obviously would no longer be required.
    There is an important distinction I think you are overlooking. The current policy does not "stop the boats"- it "stops the boats from arriving here in Australia".

    There are still refugees. There are still boats. There is still a large number of people in need. This policy does not address that. It might stop drownings in our waters but it is in no way a life-saving policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    There are still refugees. There are still boats. There is still a large number of people in need. This policy does not address that. It might stop drownings in our waters but it is in no way a life-saving policy.
    There are still refugees yes. But the boats in our region will have stopped, which will save lives. Refugees can flew from their home countries to relative safety without jumping on a boat. So yes, it is a life-saving policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    But are you happy to accept a death rate of 4%? (former Immigration Minister Bowen's number). It is easy to say that you would rather see them arrive safely, but unfortunately, some of them end up dead. It is reality, and ignoring the deaths is in no way compassionate.
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    I shudder to think about what the death rate would be among those sent back to the countries they were fleeing from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    How many would YOU bring?
    Historically, it has been around 13500 each year, the majority of which were from UNHCR camp. I'm happy with that. I would just like those that we take to be the ones in most need, ie. those that have been waiting a substantial period of time in a refugee camp without any money, rather than those with tens of thousands who use the services of people smugglers.

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    Again, let's not pretend that this is the reason the government came up with this policy. Stopping drownings would've been the last thing on their agenda.

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    The number should be increased, back to 20k.

    Having money doesn't make you less persecuted.


 

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