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    Quote Originally Posted by JungleMum View Post
    Just FYI, next weeks Q&A is about sustainable futures with David Suzuki as the panelist & an audience of scientists & students (if I heard correctly). Should be a good episode. I recommend the sceptics tune in!
    I will definitely tune in. Hopefully the audience will ask some challenging questions of him - like why can no one including the IPCC explain the last 16 years of no warming?

    I look forward to the ABC showing balance and putting a skeptic on an individual panel to answer questions from students and scientists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    I will definitely tune in. Hopefully the audience will ask some challenging questions of him - like why can no one including the IPCC explain the last 16 years of no warming?

    I look forward to the ABC showing balance and putting a skeptic on an individual panel to answer questions from students and scientists.
    Shall we link the great green con thread? We've been over your claim of no warming for 16 years many times, it's pretty tiresome.

    I look forward to the IPCC report as well and discovering what bits you cherry pick.

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    If you prefer to not click on Skeptical Science, the article also appears in The Guardian:

    http://www.theguardian.com/environme...-ice-delusions

    'Arctic sea ice delusions strike the Mail on Sunday and Telegraph
    Both UK periodicals focus on short-term noise and ignore the rapid long-term Arctic sea ice death spiral.'

    Or there's this Discover article, 'With climate journalism like this, who needs fiction:'

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/im...needs-fiction/

    And this 'David Rose and his tabloid reporting:'

    http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2013/09/d...ng-of.html?m=1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    I will definitely tune in. Hopefully the audience will ask some challenging questions of him - like why can no one including the IPCC explain the last 16 years of no warming?

    I look forward to the ABC showing balance and putting a skeptic on an individual panel to answer questions from students and scientists.
    This is why Father - but I wouldn't expect truth, fact or science to get in your way

    Most of the short term influences, with the exception of greenhouse gas emissions and probably volcanoes (but see Neely et al 2013), have had a cooling influence. As a result it is unsurprising that we have seen a reduced rate of warming over the past 16 years. The fact that there has been any warming at all is strongly supportive of the warming effect of greenhouse gas emissions.

    The fundamental mechanism of global warming is a change in the top-of-atmosphere energy balance, and as a result the energy content of the climate system provides a more direct measure of global warming which avoids many of these problems, although the observational record is shorter and less complete (e.g. Church et al 2011).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirst33 View Post
    Shall we link the great green con thread? We've been over your claim of no warming for 16 years many times, it's pretty tiresome.

    I look forward to the IPCC report as well and discovering what bits you cherry pick.
    yes, over and over and over and over....

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    Does David Rose provide balance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    Most of the short term influences, with the exception of greenhouse gas emissions and probably volcanoes (but see Neely et al 2013), have had a cooling influence. As a result it is unsurprising that we have seen a reduced rate of warming over the past 16 years. The fact that there has been any warming at all is strongly supportive of the warming effect of greenhouse gas emissions.
    Do you agree with this Kirst? Apparently the lack of warming is not a surprise, whilst your links say that there has been even more warming. Maybe you should argue with Beebs?

    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    The fundamental mechanism of global warming is a change in the top-of-atmosphere energy balance, and as a result the energy content of the climate system provides a more direct measure of global warming which avoids many of these problems, although the observational record is shorter and less complete (e.g. Church et al 2011).
    Not sure what you are trying to show here. Interesting that you refer to the upper atmosphere. Have you (or Church) found the hotspot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirst33 View Post
    Does David Rose provide balance?
    Does Tim Flannery?

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    Yes, I've found the hotspot, I was just up in the upper atmosphere the other day -and there it was.

    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    Do you agree with this Kirst? Apparently the lack of warming is not a surprise, whilst your links say that there has been even more warming. Maybe you should argue with Beebs?



    Not sure what you are trying to show here. Interesting that you refer to the upper atmosphere. Have you (or Church) found the hotspot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    Yes, I've found the hotspot, I was just up in the upper atmosphere the other day -and there it was.
    I'll take your sarcastic answer as a no.

    So what were you trying to show with that quote? What was your point?


 

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