Countries that penalize people and ensure they have less and less tend to have more people that get further entrenched in poverty.
Its difficult enough to get ahead in life, but when a system is designed to punish you rather then support you are more likely to get stuck in a cycle.
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04-09-2013 11:36 #291
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04-09-2013 11:36 #292
There is too much grey area. 'Get ahead' is such a broad statement.' It really is a ridiculous argument.
The only time someone else's money is my business is when they don't have any and I am able to help them. That's all.
04-09-2013 12:15 #293
Anyway. The Basics card is honestly the worst thing I could think of for someone living off benefits. Sure you can pay phone/internet, electricity, rent, fuel, clothes and food but there is more to life than those expenses. The kettle breaks so what then? Can't go buy a new one because it won't be accepted on the basics card. You'd have to boil water on the stove. I make my own clothes and clothes for my son but I wouldn't be able to anymore because I couldn't purchase the fabric on the card. I get my fruit and vege from an online place that delivers. It's not the main supermarkets so that wouldn't be allowed either. I buy a cask of wine every now and then to use in cooking and occasionally I like to have a cider (last time was 3 months ago so it's very occasionally) but I wouldn't be allowed to do that either. And there are so many other things that just couldn't be done with that card. Car maintenence, any online shopping, little luxuries like DVD rentals or that occasional take away meal....the list could go on but I'm sure you get the picture. Yes, it has been shown to help those who do have proven problems with drugs, alcohol and gambling but it should never be introduced for the general welfare population.
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04-09-2013 16:32 #294
So a hypothetical. A family where Dad works, Mum looks after 2 small children. For a whole year the cut all their costs and bank a proportion of her FTB, going without pretty much any wants. At the end of the year they have a grand saved. Are they still not allowed to go on a holiday given FTB is still tax payer funded money?
If not, what should the family do with the money? Should they just be frivolous so as not to have any savings? I know you said families should only get enough for the bare essentials but what if families even on that amount scrimp and save? should they have it taken off them?
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I used single parenting payments to 'get ahead' and leave an abusive relationship. Anyone who doesn't think I "deserved" that is a giant poo.
Lots of people use student allowances to 'get ahead' with their career by studying and this benefits the whole community.
In my experience financially it was merely surviving and was not viable for the long-term.
04-09-2013 17:02 #297
Seriously this thread has been terrible in places.
If somebody has been able to live on an absolute shoestring to get a little bit of money in the bank ( say $1000) why get out the pitch forks? Good on them, can't believe people would want to take it off them.
Whether anybody likes it or not and oh boy there has been a couple that vehemently have not, it's their money to do as they blardy well please.
So suck it up.
I mean really, I haver never seen anybody living solely on benefits living any sort of high life , it's hand to mouth, day to day, week to week. That's the reality, not overseas holidays and house deposits. How ridiculous.
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04-09-2013 18:51 #298
How it can really be seen as a system designed to punish people i'll probably never understand. In the end we should feel so lucky to live in a country that supports its people at all, because their are a hell of a lot of people out there who aren't so lucky.
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04-09-2013 19:00 #299
04-09-2013 19:09 #300
But there are lots of different groups on payments, as I outlined earlier, that aren't just 'dole bludgers' sitting on their butts doing nothing. Surely a student studying for a degree, bettering themselves who can scrap up $500 to go see family interstate isn't a bad thing? Or a single mum with small children who desperately needs a break so saves for a year to go on a girls weekend?
I agree CL shouldn't be paying heaps or there would be no incentive. But if someone on disability can scrimp and save for a year to buy themselves something nice then who cares?
People would be incredulous if this discussion was about tax payer funded PPL or FTB....
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