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    There's a difference between an editorial or an opinion piece backing a political party (which is common in the uk) and a paper reporting opinions on parties as news. That's what I find unacceptable in the media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    Did you complain in 2007 when News Limited was backing Rudd? Was the obvious bias back then wrong too?
    I've been trying to work out why your posts frustrate me so much! You are clearly articulate and intelligent, but I just don't understand why you insist on bringing up examples like this as if to prove a point? The OP didn't say 'and this is bad because I vote Labor and otherwise I wouldn't care.'

    I am a swing voter, actually in despair at the state of politics at the moment. I don't care who I vote for, it doesn't change the way I feel about biased media. I despise bias in media, and judgemental language as well. And it seems that the main****** media constantly breaches its own code of ethics (http://www.alliance.org.au/code-of-ethics.html). It frustrates me because there is a severe lack of critical literacy in our nation. It's not as simple as saying 'don't like it, don't read it', because other people DO read it, and are swayed by it, hence the term main******.

    So, I'm genuinely interested, can you enlighten me as to the intent of this response? Do you actually have an opinion on bias in media? Because that's what the OT is about. If you felt that there was bias in 2007, and you had feelings against it, then you should be equally against it now, surely?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsharvey View Post
    It's not as simple as saying 'don't like it, don't read it', because other people DO read it, and are swayed by it, hence the term main******.
    So you see bias, but those 'other' stupid people can't and therefore will be swayed by it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mrsharvey View Post
    So, I'm genuinely interested, can you enlighten me as to the intent of this response? Do you actually have an opinion on bias in media? Because that's what the OT is about. If you felt that there was bias in 2007, and you had feelings against it, then you should be equally against it now, surely?
    The linked blog was complaining about the 'get Rudd' agenda, and accusing Murdoch as writing puff pieces about Abbott. The position that Victoria is on the political spectrum is clearly evident. My intent was to highlight that Victoria would not have written a similar post complaining to News Ltd when some of their papers supported Rudd in 2007. Her post is highly biased itself and not entirely factual.

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    You know Tony Abbott has proudly announced that he’ll sack 12,000 public servants. These are people doing important work in our communities. They help people. They support the disadvantaged in society. How is your job more important than their jobs?
    It is through natural attrition. They are not being 'sacked'.

    The last paragraph shows how blinded and biased Victoria is. Not the best look when you are crying about bias.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    So you see bias, but those 'other' stupid people can't and therefore will be swayed by it?
    Stupid...no. Susceptible to media influence...yes. This is why some people believe a lot of the crap they see on TT and ACA. This is why advertising works. They aren't stupid though. A little ignorant for not looking beyond main****** media maybe, but still not stupid.

    Sent from my pho....oh who am I kidding. It's rarely used as a phone

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    So you see bias, but those 'other' stupid people can't and therefore will be swayed by it?



    The linked blog was complaining about the 'get Rudd' agenda, and accusing Murdoch as writing puff pieces about Abbott. The position that Victoria is on the political spectrum is clearly evident. My intent was to highlight that Victoria would not have written a similar post complaining to News Ltd when some of their papers supported Rudd in 2007. Her post is highly biased itself and not entirely factual.

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    It is through natural attrition. They are not being 'sacked'.

    The last paragraph shows how blinded and biased Victoria is. Not the best look when you are crying about bias.
    Thank you for clarifying your position. I understand it better now. Although I do think it's unkind of you to imply that people who are lacking in critical literacy are stupid ;-)

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    The 2007 election was only the second time the daily terrorgraph endorsed the labor party.

    If you don't think news ltd. is biased, then you're either a conservative voter or one of the fools who only gets their news from such rubbish.

    Some people might be intelligent enough to question or use other sources, but many don't.

    Don't claim to be a newspaper when you have an agenda!

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    And if you don't think the entire press gallery was absolutely quivering in excitement at the though of a change in government in 2007 then you are every bit as big a fool.

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    No one is suggesting anyone is "stupid" for being influenced by the media. We are all influenced by the media, no one is immune to it. If media didn't influence there would be no such thing as advertising, product placement or PR (and by PR I am specifically referring to corporate press releases).

    F, are you suggesting there should be no accountability of objectivity within the media because that's what it sounds like.

    I've come to the conclusion there there really isn't such thing as objectivity. To paraphrase one of my favourite authors, objectivity is not the lack of subjectivity, it's the search for truth. If the press reports that there was a freak car crash on street X then for balance the press should also report how many uneventful car journeys occurred on the same day.

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    I can see the bias in the morning news programs. Channel nines Today show is pro Abbott while channels seven's sunrise is pro Rudd in my opinion.

    It's very easy to spot when you watch both shows however if I just watched one my opinion would be greatly effected by their one sided reports.

    It's annoying I would just love to see or read news without feeling like I was being brainwashed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NancyBlackett View Post
    And if you don't think the entire press gallery was absolutely quivering in excitement at the though of a change in government in 2007 then you are every bit as big a fool.
    Most of Australia was excited!

    Even better that John Howard lost his seat


 

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