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    Quote Originally Posted by Ffrenchknickers View Post
    Those who judge, I know it is hard when kids are involved but I really hope that you never suffer from mental illness. There are so many of us that have shared about it, do you not believe the stories..? Or what?
    I believe the stories.

    However... If you have harmed your kids (caused their death) then I don't care about your story. I do not believe mental illness is the only reason the lady in the story killed her kids. I find it hard to believe character flaws, immaturity, selfishness and poor decision making didnt also play a part. And yes I judge her for those flaws, for being a rotten parent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    I believe the stories.

    However... If you have harmed your kids (caused their death) then I don't care about your story. I do not believe mental illness is the only reason the lady in the story killed her kids. I find it hard to believe character flaws, immaturity, selfishness and poor decision making didnt also play a part. And yes I judge her for those flaws, for being a rotten parent.
    But again, I think that shows a lack of understanding of mental illness.

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    Ok so I just got the guts to read the story - how long did this go on for? This type of death would take a long time? How did nobody else pick up on what was going on?

    Apologies if I've missed something or it's been discussed and I've missed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    I believe the stories.

    However... If you have harmed your kids (caused their death) then I don't care about your story. I do not believe mental illness is the only reason the lady in the story killed her kids. I find it hard to believe character flaws, immaturity, selfishness and poor decision making didnt also play a part. And yes I judge her for those flaws, for being a rotten parent.
    But if you have sat by and watched your husband mentally and physically abuse your child and a family member to abuse your other child, physically abandon your children and repeatedly exhibit immature, selfish and poor decision making, that's ok because the children are alive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimberleygal1 View Post
    I just don't understand it nor can I comprehend how people can feel so unhappy and get into a depressive state. And why do many not seek help? Surely if you are feeling down go to a dr, talk to trusted loved ones and seek assistance.
    *sigh* I cannot even begin to state the reasons this post angers me.

    THIS is why people with mental illnesses etc dont seek help and come forward. They are judged for something they didnt choose and cannot control. They are made to feel like it is their fault they are suffering from a mental illness.

    I dont for a second condone what this woman did to her children. But if she was mentally ill and didnt receive help despite reaching out? That is tragic too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ffrenchknickers View Post
    But again, I think that shows a lack of understanding of mental illness.
    That is your opinion. I think it is naive to assume that when a person suspected of being mentally ill does something wrong ... then what they did wrong is always 100% attributable towards their illness. The fact that psychiatrists are debating the extent to which the lady was mentally ill.. I think supports my view that character flaws *may* also have played a part. The fact the lady was convicted of manslaughter suggest to me that the court agrees she was somewhat culpable.

    I know it must be hard to understand that someone understands mental illness but has chosen not to care once that illness has passed a certain point (the death of children).

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskittyfantastico View Post
    But if you have sat by and watched your husband mentally and physically abuse your child and a family member to abuse your other child, physically abandon your children and repeatedly exhibit immature, selfish and poor decision making, that's ok because the children are alive?
    Long time no hear miss kitty.

    I'm afraid your imagination is running wild. I never said anywhere that abuse that doesn't involve a child dying is OK.

    I've just drawn the "I don't give a f@rk" line what your excuses are at the point a child dies.

    And Yes I do judge the mother in the case you mentioned. But if the kids aren't in harms way anymore and the mother is obviously ill and not understanding what's going on then I don't see the point on bullying her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    That is your opinion. I think it is naive to assume that when a person suspected of being mentally ill does something wrong ... then what they did wrong is always 100% attributable towards their illness. The fact that psychiatrists are debating the extent to which the lady was mentally ill.. I think supports my view that character flaws *may* also have played a part. The fact the lady was convicted of manslaughter suggest to me that the court agrees she was somewhat culpable.

    I know it must be hard to understand that someone understands mental illness but has chosen not to care once that illness has passed a certain point (the death of children).
    Yes it is hard to understand.

    I guess the bottom line for me is that anger and judgement will help nobody. Not the person casting the judgement, not the perpetrator and certainly not the deceased victims.

    And having an understanding of mental illness has nothing to do with naievity.

    I just don't get it. We all feel distraught about what those babies went through but that is not mutually exclusive with an effort to understand just how a mother could do such a thing.
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    Surprised that someone who works in a medical environment doesn't really comprehend mental illness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Long time no hear miss kitty.

    I'm afraid your imagination is running wild. I never said anywhere that abuse that doesn't involve a child dying is OK.

    I've just drawn the "I don't give a f@rk" line what your excuses are at the point a child dies.

    And Yes I do judge the mother in the case you mentioned. But if the kids aren't in harms way anymore and the mother is obviously ill and not understanding what's going on then I don't see the point on bullying her.
    Ok, whatever. I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from but I can't. I don't get it and that's cool. Over and out.


 

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