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26-07-2013 21:24 #621
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26-07-2013 22:32 #622
Me, I don't care if you initially dont speak English (as a health care worker I've treated many immigrants (both asylum seekers and people who have arrived by other means)), but I do think learning the native tongue is a good start to assimilating. I've conversed with many people who dont speak English (sometimes with an interpreter and sometimes without), I use a lot of nonverbal communication cues.
When I travelled to china for 10days, I tried to learn mandarin, it was crude but I made an effort.
I find the insinuation that people are only accepting of immigrants who speak english and light skinned quite presumptuous and trying to suggest others are racist. Which is likely untrue.
I'm using the term here of immigrants as when emotive statements are made such as "nobody had an issue with him as he spoke English and white skinned" to be nothing to do with refugees (some refugees have perfect English) and everything to do with trying to turn this thread into a racist issue which I didn't think it was
27-07-2013 08:31 #623-
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It is a little bit of a race issue, the fact is that if your from particular countries, even Australian immigration doesn't have a problem with making the process fairly easy for you.
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27-07-2013 08:41 #624Senior Member
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I am absolutely not suggesting that people on this thread are racist - although I couldn't say that about some Australians, one only needs to read the comments after any story about boat people.
Nobody ever questioned my dads motives for coming here, as and illegal immigrant. The question needs to follow - why is that the case? Why did no one care?
27-07-2013 08:51 #625
So people agree that the issue is the boats, why don't we fly in asylum seekers from Indonesia and process their claims, so they don't have to get on a boat?
27-07-2013 09:25 #626
Do people just not like poor refugees? I don't see why people who have the money to fly to Indonesia get first dibs on a place here.
I keep hearing how horrible those camps are and how no one wants to go there (and would do anything to avoid it) but no one has a problem with the people who are already stuck there.
This is a bit more confrontational than I like to be, I'm sorry, I'm just so frustrated and feel helpless to know no one gives much thought to those poor people.
My plan to fix it is this I think it's time a list was drawn up, priority given to those in the camps for the longest. I also think that all the countries that accept refugees should start working together to get all of the refugees a safe home. Over a hundred years to place everyone just isn't good enough
I also think the UN needs more authority, an army (consisting of members of all signatories), the right to arrest anyone convicted of crimes or human rights violations (no extradition needed), and I think a charter of human rights and responsibilities needs to be drawn up and signed world wide (harsh penalties for non compliance).
That's my plan for world peace
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27-07-2013 09:42 #627
Unfortunately people stuck in the camps for a long time are usually without identifying information. The UNHCR just doesn't have enough resources to process them quickly.
Peg, I don't think the 'racist' element can be discounted. Most countries have a racist element, it's part of nature to be fearful of things that are different. most animals, including humans, have this trait for survival.
For Australia specifically, the White Australia policy is still in living memory. these attitudes take many many generations to overcome and we are nowhere near that yet. The fact that many asylum seekers coming to Australia are Muslim does play a factor in the wider community due to actions of terrorist who happen to be Muslim.
27-07-2013 10:12 #628
Ana - with the current situation globally, do you think there is a way to stop people getting on boats?
27-07-2013 12:04 #629Because knowing someone is talking from personal experience gives their story more credibility in my eyes. And that is something that is sorely needed in a debate such as this where the mistruth and propaganda on both sides is overwhelming.
Likewise, people in this country are welcomed if they are white and speak English. This is a fact I see everyday in my line of work. It may offend those with a keen sense of political correctness but the reality is that you can't programme people to think or say what you feel is correct. Sure, we have racial vilification laws that keep people in line but ultimately, as someone else has pointed out, there are attitudes in this society which clearly remain white and English as unpalatable as that may be. Have a listen to talkback radio and this will give you an indication of what sort of people harbour such attitudes and why they support the new PNG resettlement policy. Sure, it may well cause you to shake your head but the fact remains is that these people exist and there are a lot of them around!
In my view, someone with personal experience can lack the objectivity this topic needs in order to arrive at some workable resolutions. It doesn't detract from the value of their story but can restrict their world view somewhat. I have written about this before in here. So no, I don't think it matters whether you have an academic background or you're a factory worker from down the road. Not all perspectives need to be cleansed by a university before they are deemed to be suitable. I don't think the term ''armchair warrior'' helps though and I feel sorry for those who use that term. This not only smacks of elitism and exclusion but also illustrates a deep sense of insecurity: which is pretty much how we ended up with this policy in the first place.
27-07-2013 12:19 #630
This sums it up for me (that's my daughter). It's a disgusting policy that I would not want applied to myself.
Please don't quote the picture, I will delete later.
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