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03-07-2013 13:58 #61
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03-07-2013 14:02 #62Senior Member
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I thought it was an interesting take, it made me think about it, go back and have a look etc. For me personally it still crosses the line, but I can see why others wouldn't think to. A lot of 3rd wave feminists are about reclaiming previously derogatory words and using them to regain the power - like the C word. I'm still not sure what I feel about that myself, but I can see why they do it.
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03-07-2013 14:05 #64
And I'm nitpicking here, but Meld85- Inner Circle, not UB40 (sorry, was annoying me )[/QUOTE]
What?!??! Really?!?!? I thought it was Ub40 all these years. Thanks for clearing that up :-)
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03-07-2013 14:20 #65
The singer himself admits to being derogatory towards women:
We tried to do everything that was taboo. Bestiality, drug injections, and everything that is completely derogatory towards women. Because all three of us are happily married with children, we were like, “We’re the perfect guys to make fun of this.” People say, “Hey, do you think this is degrading to women?” I’m like, “Of course it is. What a pleasure it is to degrade a woman. I’ve never gotten to do that before. I’ve always respected women.”
Referring to women as a b"tch and an animial is horrible
You the hottest b*tch in this place...
But you’re an animal
With my foresight b*tch you pay me by
Nothing like your last guy, he too square for you
He don’t smack that a** and pull your hair like that
Anyway, we could probably go back and forth on this for days. Great to see everyone's opinion
03-07-2013 14:23 #66
So he always respected woman but now doesn't? That's how I'm reading that comment.
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03-07-2013 14:28 #67Senior Member
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I respect Jaq a lot, and if she had written the song herself I would absolutely accept her interpretation of the lyrics, but frankly after listening to the artist speak and explain it himself I simply don't believe he is that smart.
I also don't buy his "but I'm a married man and these women were paid a lot to nude up for this clip therefore it can't be degrading" justification.
03-07-2013 15:11 #68Senior Member
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Just moving aside from the song meaning debate and Robin Thicke for a second, I think Mia Freedman needs to seriously rethink her articles before she write them. She's done a few on this song alone and a few things annoy me.
A) The use of the word "rapey". WTF? You're a "journalist", lets not go making words up. Especially ones relating to such serious matters.
B) Comparing a song with questionable lyrics/intentions (as proven by this thread, people take it different ways which is quite common in music) to RAPE. To me, that is making light of the serious friken crime that is rape.
She crossed the line on this one, even for her. And she's written some horrible articles lately so that's saying something.
03-07-2013 15:20 #69
Wasn't she quoting another paper that used the term "Rapey"?
03-07-2013 15:47 #70
So, hello Hubbers. Thought I'd add some clarification in person ... I failed to stay away, Noms!
Firstly, I was reacting primarily to Mia Freedman's accusation that the song is rapey. But if you read the lyrics, the song is all about a man trying to persuade a girl to cheat on her husband - persuade her, not force her. In several places the power in the scenario is explicitly placed in her hands - "go ahead, get at me", "I feel so lucky you want to hug me" ... "look me up when you pass through", and "wait for you to salute" ... there is absolutely no suggestion of anything that is against her will. (Except, possibly, for "gonna take a good girl". Which could mean take home, take to bed, take on ... anything.)
When the woman in question is having her right to say no respected, then I'm happy. Yes, it's sexually explicit and some of the language is jarring, but that's not rapey. Anything that makes the need for consent explicit is actually a feminist statement, to me. Because the alternative are all the songs about stalking and keeping women in their place and making them take it etc etc etc.
As to the language being disrespectful and treating the woman as an animal ... meh. It's not my language, it's not yours, and personally I love the word *****, but I hate the way it's used in rap music and to commodify women. But I have also seen long and complex discussions about the use of "*****" in Afro-American culture and how while it can be used disrespectfully, it is not automatically a term of disrespect. As a white woman living on the other side of the world, I don't really feel qualified to pass judgement on someone else's culture.
Comparing women to animals? Doesn't bother me in the slightest. Women ARE animals. So are men. It's far from new to compare our sexual selves to animals - it's one of our oldest cultural standard. The value judgement only comes into play if anyone dares to suggest it's a bad thing ... why shouldn't women be able to enjoy the more base sides of our nature? There is a lot of interesting reading you can do about sexuality and why we are drawn to certain sex acts and fantasy scenarios that will, in fact, reveal we live much closer to our animal selves than most people are willing to admit.
So does the eroticism of the song bother me? No. He's singing about anal sex. Some people are into that. Some people like having their hair pulled. Some people like to be slapped around during sex. I don't have a need to judge anyone for that ... and nor does he, because he thinks she is sick of being a "good girl" who is socially excluded from being allowed to WANT those things.
Only "bad girls" want those things ... and the singer is trying to entice her to say yes, and admit that good girls DO want the sorts of things he's singing about ... "I hate these blurred lines, I know you want it, I hate these lines ..."
Actually, there is one thing I REALLY don't like about this song, that does actually cloud the issue of consent a little. They're getting high together. That doesn't make for solid, iron-clad consent, Robin *wags finger*
(Do I think this song is suitable for kids to listen to in the car ... uh, no. Do I think he was a suitable choice for family entertainment, no. Do I think it's about rape? NO!)
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