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    Quote Originally Posted by ozeymumof5 View Post
    if ppl want to drink, smoke, gamble and take drugs...they will always find a way. It's an addiction and taking control of an addicts money is only going to make them find other ways to get what they want.
    Very true

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProudMumma34 View Post
    Just another way of controlling us... even to the point of telling us how to do spend our money! !
    Isn't it the money of the community? Being taken from the many to be redistributed to those in need. I think the community has a right to know that money being given to the needy is being spent as it is intended.

    I don't think the communities money should go to the pokies, or to drug dealers, or spent on holidays. I do think some (but not excessive) alcohol should be considered ok.

    I agree with pp, it is a shame about small business / markets / speciality needs etc. I think if the govt could overcome this challenge it is a great idea.

    If they get the card working properly with a wide range of outlets and providers able to accept the card, the people who are doing the right thing today shouldn't notice any difference.

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    I think it should be managed case by case not as an everyone has to do this. I do agree that people who don't spend their money wisely gambling drugs grog etc should be placed on income management as well as the young mums who haven't finished school under the centrelink helping young parents scheme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bedlover View Post
    Isn't it the money of the community? Being taken from the many to be redistributed to those in need. I think the community has a right to know that money being given to the needy is being spent as it is intended.

    I don't think the communities money should go to the pokies, or to drug dealers, or spent on holidays. I do think some (but not excessive) alcohol should be considered ok.

    I agree with pp, it is a shame about small business / markets / speciality needs etc. I think if the govt could overcome this challenge it is a great idea.

    If they get the card working properly with a wide range of outlets and providers able to accept the card, the people who are doing the right thing today shouldn't notice any difference.
    I wouldn't view centrelink payments as 'community money', even though that is where the funding comes from. All my centrelink payments (when I used to get them) went on my tax return and some years I paid tax on it. So it was definitely 'my income'.

    I have seen the card when I used to work for Woolies...not everyone on centrelink benefits have them, only some people and it maybe that centrelink considers individual situations to determine who needs them. They're a good idea for those that need them.

    It would certainly be silly making everyone have them, most people are able to manage their own money.

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    Will it be for everyone? Hopefully I won't need to get anything from Centrelink but if I do it will have to be worked into the budget. Anyone know how it will work and when it's meant to come in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Secret of Cleo View Post
    Will it be for everyone? Hopefully I won't need to get anything from Centrelink but if I do it will have to be worked into the budget. Anyone know how it will work and when it's meant to come in?
    I don't think it will be for everyone. The website posted above looks like it is geared towards those who require income management. Centrelink don't care what you do with the payments as long as all the details you've provided them with are correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlotchedTabby View Post
    I wouldn't view centrelink payments as 'community money', even though that is where the funding comes from. All my centrelink payments (when I used to get them) went on my tax return and some years I paid tax on it. So it was definitely 'my income'.
    seriously?!?
    Did you work for this money? Did you earn it? Or was it given to you due to your circumstance?
    If you are paying tax on this money it would be because you were given more than you were entitled to.

    I truly believe that as a developed nation we need to ensure everyone in our community is looked after, but I find this attitude really hard to swallow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlotchedTabby View Post
    I don't think it will be for everyone. The website posted above looks like it is geared towards those who require income management. Centrelink don't care what you do with the payments as long as all the details you've provided them with are correct.

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    Ok. I should be able to live off what I have for a while and will hopefully be back at work before this money runs out. It needs to be made clearer so people understand what it's about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bedlover View Post
    seriously?!?
    Did you work for this money? Did you earn it? Or was it given to you due to your circumstance?
    If you are paying tax on this money it would be because you were given more than you were entitled to.

    I truly believe that as a developed nation we need to ensure everyone in our community is looked after, but I find this attitude really hard to swallow.
    I paid tax on it because I earnt over the $6k threshold. I was a fulltime student and also had a part time job. I was never given more than I was entitled. Centrelink make sure of that!

    I'm not sure you understand my point completely. Its not that I thought I was 'entitled' to the money, its that I needed it, the government & centrelink recognised that and therefore paid it to me 'as income'. Thats how centrelink & the government view it, otherwise they wouldn't require you to pay tax on it (ie. It is considered 'taxable income').

    ETA: More simply, I mean, that 'community money' is not 'personal income' yet centrelink benefits are considered (by the ATO) to be 'personal income'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Secret of Cleo View Post
    Ok. I should be able to live off what I have for a while and will hopefully be back at work before this money runs out. It needs to be made clearer so people understand what it's about.
    I've found there is very little that is clear about centrelink. So happy I don't need to deal with them anymore, they don't make it easy and the rules are pretty complex.

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