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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsd View Post
    I'm not sure that the baby bonus was the best way to encourage parenthood (in fact, I'm on record as saying that I'd rather it was distributed as grocery vouchers which is wayyyyy too controversial!).

    However - it was better than nothing. It recognises that families who have babies are doing the economy a service. We're raising future taxpayers.

    And I have serious issues with the idea of SAHM's (or dads, in DH's case) being forced back to work without recognition of the vital service they perform. I'm not sure whether you mean that they should return to work after their children are at school, COC, or after the initial year or so of maternity leave is up, but our children have benefited very much from having a SAHP. And it makes running households much less stressful, which leaves the wage-earner more energy to focus on their actual work. Of course, flexible arrangements where both parents work / share care are excellent ideas, too, but we have to be careful not to undervalue the importance of a lot of the unpaid work that SAHPs do by assuming that they don't really "work" and don't contribute to the economy.

    My DH runs a small business from home as well as caring for H, attempting the dishes, washing (always a mountain!), packing lunches, attending school events etc. Our kids' schoolwork wouldn't get done and we'd be a heck of a lot worse of in nearly every respect if he didn't do what he does. It's not a bludge, as some assume. And, most importantly, he's raising a heap of nice, intelligent, responsible, future tax-paying citizens who will repay his effort a hundredfold in monetary terms!

    And we weren't eligible for PPL because we received the BB, apparently.
    "And, most importantly, he's raising a heap of nice, intelligent, responsible, future tax-paying citizens who will repay his effort a hundredfold in monetary terms!"

    All parents do this, even the ones that both work.

    And of course you can't get both the BB and PPL!

    I agree with some of your points but at the end of the day, the Govt owes it better for the economy to have people working and paying tax and not claiming as many benefits. So it makes sense that their policies will reward that.

    They are not going to force anyone to work who doesn't want to, they're just not going to fund that decision as much as they currently do. Which yes, means that some parents won't have the luxury of staying home that currently do.

    Being a SAHP doesn't help the economy in terms of dollars as much as being in employment does. Just a fact not an insult. And dollars are more important to the Govt than car pooling and canteen duty (I'm not being sarcastic here, just referring to an earlier post). People who don't work also claim more benefits so its lose/lose for the Govt.

    I don't think you can blame them for moving in this direction, even if you don't like how it affects you personally. Much like I don't like having a vastly reduced PHI rebate now, but I can understand why they have done it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kw123 View Post
    Being a SAHP doesn't help the economy in terms of dollars as much as being in employment does. Just a fact not an insult. And dollars are more important to the Govt than car pooling and canteen duty (I'm not being sarcastic here, just referring to an earlier post). People who don't work also claim more benefits so its lose/lose for the Govt.
    This really upsets me.

    Its SAHP that volunteer at hospitals, nursing homes, charities. They donate time and resources to the less fortunate.

    I spend my Fridays cooking for the elderly who live alone as part of my church volunteering. These people only get one good home cooked meal a week cos their own children (now adults) DON'T care for their parents. These adults prefer to have strangers use their own money and time to look after their parents.

    Yep. Money is more important than the old, the young, the disabled and the vulnerable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose&Aurelia View Post
    This really upsets me.

    Its SAHP that volunteer at hospitals, nursing homes, charities. They donate time and resources to the less fortunate.

    I spend my Fridays cooking for the elderly who live alone as part of my church volunteering. These people only get one good home cooked meal a week cos their own children (now adults) DON'T care for their parents. These adults prefer to have strangers use their own money and time to look after their parents.

    Yep. Money is more important than the old, the young, the disabled and the vulnerable.
    It's not about comparing the relative importance of working and volunteering and canteening.

    It's about the fact working parents would be financially worse off if PPL was removed.

    SAHPs won't be with the reduction of the BB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NancyBlackett View Post
    It's not about comparing the relative importance of working and volunteering and canteening.

    It's about the fact working parents would be financially worse off if PPL was removed.

    SAHPs won't be with the reduction of the BB.
    I'm not arguing that NB. Just the fact that unless you work FT you are unimportant.

    I know kw123 didn't mean it that way but it still hurts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kw123 View Post
    Being a SAHP doesn't help the economy in terms of dollars as much as being in employment does. Just a fact not an insult. And dollars are more important to the Govt than car pooling and canteen duty (I'm not being sarcastic here, just referring to an earlier post). People who don't work also claim more benefits so its lose/lose for the Govt.
    People who work claim benefits, probably more than those who don't. CCB and CCR are both expensive. Generally speaking, I know not every one gets them, just as not every single income home gets FTB.

    I had a thread the other day that showed people's CC was as much, or more than their income pre-benefits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose&Aurelia View Post
    This really upsets me.

    Its SAHP that volunteer at hospitals, nursing homes, charities. They donate time and resources to the less fortunate.

    I spend my Fridays cooking for the elderly who live alone as part of my church volunteering. These people only get one good home cooked meal a week cos their own children (now adults) DON'T care for their parents. These adults prefer to have strangers use their own money and time to look after their parents.

    Yep. Money is more important than the old, the young, the disabled and the vulnerable.
    Oh R&A I didn't mean to upset you, sorry.

    I specifically mentioned the economy. That doesn't mean that SAHP's don't have a huge positive impact on society. The things you do are wonderful and thank god for people like you. I don't think money is more important than all those things. But I was just talking specifically about the economy, which is about money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlissedOut View Post
    People who work claim benefits, probably more than those who don't. CCB and CCR are both expensive. Generally speaking, I know not every one gets them, just as not every single income home gets FTB
    Good point!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlissedOut View Post
    People who work claim benefits, probably more than those who don't. CCB and CCR are both expensive. Generally speaking, I know not every one gets them, just as not every single income home gets FTB.

    I had a thread the other day that showed people's CC was as much, or more than their income pre-benefits.
    True. With just Dh working we don't get fta and very minimal ftb.

    With me working we get ccb, ccr and ftb as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlissedOut View Post
    People who work claim benefits, probably more than those who don't. CCB and CCR are both expensive. Generally speaking, I know not every one gets them, just as not every single income home gets FTB.

    I had a thread the other day that showed people's CC was as much, or more than their income pre-benefits.
    The way I see it though is that by me putting my kids in childcare and working, sure- I'm claiming the CCR BUT the government benefits in two ways:

    - Working, paying more tax, and reducing the amount of benefits my family can claim

    -Effectively helping create more work in childcare- more kids means more staff employed- means even more people off benefits and paying taxes.

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    I just did the maths- my CCR is just over $40 a day. I pay more than that in tax each day I work! Definitely works out better for the government to have the CCR and keep parents working


 

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