So much valuable information there Domiffy, - Thank you so much for taking the time to put it in print. I really wish you the very best of luck for your next cycle. I have many questions regarding your post, but I will get the chores done and then I'll be back. I have one unrelated Q ATM, and that is, does cfc really charge 190 for each of you for the initial consult? We are going to have a chat with Dr L on thursday, and if so that is a very expensive chat! I need to know we are doing the best thing for us. We are only having one more go, so I just can't afford to learn any lessons.
More sticky dust for you Blondie. Keep those symptoms coming.
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17-06-2013 18:43 #111
17-06-2013 21:28 #112
OK, - Now to try to reply to page 11.
BinB, - I'm O.K. Still coughing, and feeling a bit more of a cold coming back today. I'll be going to the doctor tomorrow as it has been 2 weeks now.
I gave up sugar (aswell as yeast, and molds) because I had a bout of candida, and I felt generally crap after my last stim cycle. Giving up sugar made me feel allot better. However I have since realised that it is good for hormonal balance as-well. I've only missed it a little since I got sick, and I'm looking forward to a piece of my birthday cake in a few weeks time. I have relaxed on the yeast and molds a bit now too. But other than my b'day cake, I'll stay off sugar until after this cycle at least.
Thank goodness the last pregnyl shot is behind you now. You are on the home stretch my dear. I am hoping with all hope that this is the one for you . I don't think I've followed 2 peoples cycles as closely as I've followed yours and Doms this time.
I've been thinking pretty hard, and with DS I'm sure I had increased cm, and as you have described. I had so many twinges and pangs on that cycle, I can't actually remember if they were AF like. Progesterone did a great job of making my cervix feel soft in all my cycles so I don't worry about that one anymore.
So here is another bucket load of . Six more sleeps .
Oh, And I definitely think FMU is the best to use for POAS...
Hope, - Best of luck for some great follies tomorrow. I Have a few bucket loads of for you too.
When you say you've heard that the mix of the two drugs gets less eggs. Less eggs than what? Straight gonalF or straight menupur? I'm just really wondering about menupur in general.
I hope the OD of lucrin hasn't done any harm. Have you asked the nurse?
Domiffy, - Glad you are feeling better. The garden is great for that, especially when it's not just summer never ending weeding.
I know how you feel about the holding pattern. I feel the same, but on the other hand I will be going back to work in January, and much study and training away from home will be done then, so I am wanting time to stand still ATM regards that.
I too am wondering whether 600iu of stim drugs is too much for me too. All 5'2" of me had a bfp on 225 gonalF (FET) at age 43, And my last stim was 300iu of gonalF. Both stims had 100% fert rate, so I'm thinking 450 might be a max dose for me. The other thing is I have no idea of my LH levels other than I manage to get positives on a OPK. How are you with OPK's considering you know what you do?
It sounds awful that you felt so bad in the first few days of stimming, .
I am another one with low blood pressure. I guess being small might have something to do with that.
Why did you start FSH on day 3 on your Dec cycle? Is that normal for CFC?
I didn't take any notice of the amount of trigger for my cycles. Did you question WDA about trigger? Just wondering what his response would have been. In my other cycles, I always triggered as paper work dictated. I guess because they had specific theatre dates, so I hadn't really thought that EPU date would be varied. A bit hard on the logistics for me.
Can I ask what brand royal jelly you take? I take natures goodness that I get from the health food shop. And what does L-arginine do? And who does your accu? I am about to see a Chinese Dr when she gets back from Honkers. I did use ping-pan for my other cycles, I found him pretty good, but never got any herbs from them.
Well, I'm going to stop with the inquisition now. Sorry about that Dom... It's past my bed time, and I'm shagged. Thanks for reading.
To you all.
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18-06-2013 09:30 #113Member
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Blonde Good morning to you my dear, how are you feeling today? Here's today's lot of this and this . Thinking of you.
Mrs P I'm glad you found my post helpful… I was a long time lurker on this forum until recently, but I have learnt so much that I feel like it’s time I gave something back and if documenting my experiences is helpful to just one person then I’m very happy about that. BTW you had such a phenomenal result with your little one at 43 – how many eggs did you get at retrieval, if you don’t mind me asking?
I have never used OPK as up until recently I have always had such irregular cycles that they were impossible to chart – I could go up to 6 months without AF. But now that my cycle is more regular I might give it a go.
Yes I would never do 600iu again, I’m only 5’1” and 48kg and I think it was too much for me. Of course everyone is so very different and while I don't think high stims with Menopur was good for me it might well work like a charm for someone else.
Re my LH levels, every time I have investigatory bloods or day 2/3 bloods I always get copies or ask about results as I like to know what’s going on and until recently my LH has always been 2, 3 even 4 times higher than FSH (it is supposed to be approx 1:1 ratio at day 2/3) and my out of whack hormones were the reason for irregular cycles. I’m no doctor but if you have a regular menstrual cycle then I would say your LH is most likely fine.
Re starting stims on day 3 with CFC… it was just a bad timing thing. The first day of my period fell on a Saturday and I couldn't start stims until the Monday when the clinic opened.
Re trigger… I triggered with 10000 pregnyl in December and that seemed to work well for me so I was concerned at being prescribed the lower dose of 5000 pregnyl by WDA this time round. TBH I didn’t discuss my concern with him and should have… but I managed to scrounge another 5000 pregnyl from QFG in Cairns when I went for my last scan which I was going to use as well (BTW I am not advocating doing your own thing and going against Drs orders – but why change something that has clearly worked in the past?). When I spoke to WDA’s nurse before trigger she knew that I had requested the extra pregnyl and she suggested (I am assuming at the instruction of WDA) that I trigger with 6500 and I did as instructed as I assumed FS must have his reasons for not wanting to go higher.
Re EPU dates… EPU will always be within the 36-38 hour after trigger regardless of the dose, it’s just that the extra trigger can help to ensure the eggs are fully mature by EPU. In terms of how long you stim for most clinics with ready access to a day theatre (like QFG in Brisbane, or CFC in Cairns) will let you stim for as long as you need to and will only trigger and go to EPU when your follicles are ready. Unlike QFG Cairns they do not have to schedule your EPU to fit in with any pre-booked theatre dates.
Re Royal Jelly… I used to buy the royal jelly vials from China through Go Vita but I was never really convinced of their quality so at the end of last year I switched to the fresh royal jelly – I have used Natures Goodness but it is very expensive for such a small quantity and have found that Stockland Go Vita stock a different brand – I can’t remember the name but I have had some on order and will be going in to collect it today so will let you know the name later – it is twice the quantity of the Natures Goodness for around the same price (even cheaper if you purchase on their 20% off 1st Tuesday of the month deal!) it comes in a brown glass jar and lasts me a few weeks.
Re L’Arginine…. This is to help with blood flow and was recommended to me by my acupuncturist. Randine Lewis also recommends it in her fabulous book ‘The Fertility Cure’ She says: “a study published in Human Reproduction (1999) found increased ovarian response, endometrial receptivity, and pregnancy rates in IVF patients who supplemented daily with large doses (16 grams) of oral L-arginine, and amino acid. These studies have not been reproduced in women who are experiencing a natural cycle, but the response remains the same: increased blood flow to the ovaries.” However, 16 grams is a huge does and Randine Lewis recommends no more than 4 grams per day of L’arginine. I also read somewhere that it is best to take it on an empty stomach.
Re Acupuncture… I go to Kerri Adams who works from her home in Whitfield and I can claim around half the cost back through PHI. She specialises in infertility and works with lots of Cairns IVF patients. I have been going to her on and off for ages, initially I went to see her to help balance my hormones and regulate my menstrual cycle and to help prepare my body prior to IVF. I was a hard nut to crack but she has finally succeeded and as I’ve said before, I now have a 27 day cycle. Miracle. The acupuncture can help improve blood flow and clear ‘chi’ blockages and I must admit there have been times when I have wondered whether it was making any difference because treatments are so subtle and I think the improvements can be very gradual. She also does pre and post transfer treatments for IVF and is also very knowledgeable on nutrition and TCM.
Re CFC cost of consult… that sounds about right but if you have hit the Medicare safety net threshold this year I think you should get 80% of that fee back. Yep expensive but it doesn’t come close to the extra $$ I spent in accommodation and flights by cycling in Brisbane recently .
Anyhoo Mrs P… I think that covers everything – happy to answer any other questions you have so don’t hold back. Good luck with Dr L on Thursday… have your list of questions ready .
Hope and Lazza and anyone else following along
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18-06-2013 10:14 #114
Hi Domiffy Girl and Mrs P............ (good to see my icon's are working today)
God Bless the both of you for trying to keep my spirits up, I really appreciate it, but I know my body and it's telling me that I'm on the road to a BFN despite the "symptoms" I've been experiencing. I think the lack of the "frequent urination" is what's sealed the deal for me (that and the fact this morning's POAS was a smidgen fainter than yesterday's....not much, but definately fainter).
I just don't "feel" pregnant, if that makes any sense or at the very least, I don't feel anything like I did this time last year when I had the chemical. Like I said yesterday, then I was running to the toilet ALL the time, day and night, sometimes twice or three times a night and with a real sense of urgency and I started experiencing those kinds of symptoms at 10dpo last year and I've got nothing like that happening here.
So, I POAS at roughly the same time this morning and as previously mentioned, it was still positive, but slightly fainter (have just compared both tests again before I sat down to post) and although I'd like to delude myself that it's not the case, my eyes cannot pretend not to see that it is a smidgen lighter. My attempts to put on a brave face in front of DP before he left for work again this morning failed dismally and when he saw me starting to cry and asked what was wrong, I just burst into tears and told him that I was sorry, but I didn't think this cycle's worked either and that I knew my body and it doesn't feel anything like it did last year when we nearly got pregnant that time. The look on my poor, DP's face......he was gutted....but he just held me quietly while I sobbed my heart out and told him that this failure was especially hard for me to take this time as I knew we had no money left to keep on trying and that the only time I was truly happy and excited was when we were cycling because that was the only time I knew we had a real chance of having a baby and that every month when I got my period was nothing but a painful reminder that there was no baby again and it felt like another chance had been wasted.....
The look on my DP's face after hearing that was heartbreaking.....he was devastated because I know he blames himself for us being in the position of having to do IVF in the first place It's not his fault, I don't blame him although I was angry and felt resentful towards him at the very beginning when we first found out about the MFI which in hindsight, was very unfair to him but I know was probably a normal reaction to feel at that particular point in time. Obviously, once I'd had the chance to process everything, I got over any negative feelings I was having and got on with finding solutions.
Anyhoo, I guesstimate I'll be POAS'ing my way to a BFN by Fri at the latest girls TBH...I feel like stopping all the meds and just waiting for AF to arrive and put me out (or in my case, further into) my misery, but I won't for now....until the BFN arrives then there'll be no point continuing on with them.
Am sorry to be such a downer and a negative hit today, but I'm just so bummed about everything and knowing that unless a substantial amount of money comes DP and I's way in the next few months, that's it for us. I don't want to stop trying (especially when there's still DP's frozen sperm that WDA got this cycle) but I just can't see any way forward at the moment.
Ok girls, am off to batten down the hatches and prepare myself further for the worst that's only days away from arriving. Will keep updating but am not expecting any miracles at this point.
Am glad to hear you're off the the doctor's Mrs P......and I hope you're feeling better soon. I'm guessing some antibiotics are most probably the order of the day to help things along. 2wks is far too long to be putting up with the Lurgy that's for sure.
Oh, and btw.....totally off topic, seems like I might be the tallest of us "short a r s e 's" At 5"41/2 (yes, I'm claiming the half!!!...LOL) and at my usual fighting weight of 54kg's, looks like I'm the heavyweight around here as well!!!!
OK my lovelies, back again tomorrow...... for you both
And a big to Hope, Lazza and any other ladies playing along........
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18-06-2013 12:55 #115
Wow, - Just a quick one to say thanks for your answers Dom. I really appreciate your time and effort. Will be back later.
And BinB, - I'm so sorry that you feel you are heading down the road to a BFN I hope it's just a late starter, and you will get darker lines soon. here is a tonne of to urge your little dot to stay.
18-06-2013 17:30 #116Member
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Oh Blonde please don’t lose heart as it is still early days yet. The strength of those lines is nothing to go by even though you are testing your wee at the same time of day it can still vary and can depend on how much water/liquid you’ve had to drink etc – there are still so many variables. As for the preggo symptoms, from what I’ve read people’s symptoms can vary wildly from pregnancy to pregnancy so comparing what happened with your chemical may not be that accurate for this time round. I am thinking of you and know exactly where you are at – you know I was there with you this time last week but am hoping with all my heart for a different outcome for you I’d just like to add… DON’T STOP THE DRUGS TILL YOUR BT. You must have read the many accounts of women that have had BFN’s on HPTs and then gone on to BFP at BT – this happens more often than people think…. I found some website when I was googling obsessively last week and there was a survey of when people tested positive on HPT and even at quite a few days post transfer there was around 10% of people still getting BFNs…. So hang in there girl and keep the faith for the next few days my love…. ... I would have sent more but that's all BH would let me send you....
AFM... AF arrived today. That was quick!
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19-06-2013 10:45 #117
Hello Domiffy Love.......
Yes, forgot to thank-you for all the information you've shared over the last couple of days (too busy feeling sorry for myself) Anyhoo, I, too, found it very interesting. I'm also interested in knowing the brand of Royal Jelly you use or at the very least the strength/formulation just for interest, in case DP and I can find the $ to cycle again in the future.....Yes, I've been scheming in my mind ways to get the money together so we can maybe go again in around 5 months time. There are things I'd leave out next time, such as the Saizen (but would keep the DHEA/Melatonin and all the rest of the supplements), so that would save a fair whack of cash, plus DP wouldn't have to have a TESA performed again, so more $ saved there, plus we'd be over the Medicare threshold, so will be cheaper again
Am just turning it over in my mind atm, haven't put pen to paper to number crunch as yet as we're still paying off this cycle and waiting for rebates from Medicare etc to come in, so am not sure what will be left in the kitty until all that's finalised. Until then, won't say anything to DP as I know as far as he's concerned, we're done but I'm not ready to throw in the towel yet especially when there's DP's frozen sperm to be used
I must say, you're a lean, mean, fighting machine girl with all supplements/diet and complementary therapy etc. I guess you've got to be in this game and especially as we're a bit older than most. I know I could be fitter than I am and should do more in that area, but am happy with my diet etc which I'm pretty careful of most of the time. I do allow myself the odd treat here or there, but that's it.
Was wondering how long it would take AF to arrive and yep, love, that was quick. Is it any worse than usual??? Was thinking it may be due to the Clexane injections. And yes, I won't stop taking the meds until BT day ok???? I'll be good, promise Thanks for your pep talk love.....it's definately helped as do your good wishes and positive thoughts as always!!!
Mrs P.........Am hoping you're on the mend now and thanks for your good wishes too, love!!! It all helps, beleive me!!!!
Hope 06............How did your appointment with WDA go??? Hope there were some lovely follies on your scan. Here's some for you and good luck!!!
Ok, have decided to pull my sh$t together today and get back to the land of the living. Sitting around crying and moping isn't going to change anything, so am determined to get a plan happening so I can cycle again in the future.......Anyhoo...... POAS again this morning and its not any fainter than yesterday. If anything, it's a smidge darker and is pretty much the same as Monday's stick. Have put all 3 sticks together and looked at them over the last few hours here and there under all different kinds of light and on the whole, they're all the same. Yesterday's line is definately a smidgen lighter than today's and Monday's lines, but when you put them all together, they're pretty much the same. The lines, of course, are nowhere near as dark as the control line, but there are 3 clear lines on all of the tests.
It probably means FA in the long run and because I'm bigger than you Domiffy, it probably means it'll just take longer for my body to metabolise the Pregnyl and get it out of my system. In no way, shape or form am I getting my hopes up here, but again, in the interests of posterity am posting my experiences for others to read about either now or in the future
Other than that, I started having AF like cramps again late yesterday arvo (around 3pm) that came and went for about 4 hrs to the point that although not as strong as they would be if I was having AF for real, were strong enough that I was on "undie alert" and wouldn't have been surprised to see something there this morning. Nothing did show up or has shown and the cramps were gone when I woke up this morning.
My boobs are still huge, bloating is coming and going and I'm still feeling tired and a bit emotional/moody every now and again. Will just keep POAS in the morning when I get up and letting you all know what the go is
Ok, am gonna post this before my computer freezes on me again and I lose the damn lot!!! Take care girls and I'll post again tomorrow. Thanks for all your kindness, support, positive words and encouragement............ and for all of you!!!!
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20-06-2013 10:12 #118
Hello Domiffy and Mrs P........
How are you girls today??? DP cracked up last night because I've hit our usage for the month on the computer a week early, so am at the local library posting and will be for the next few days Oops, sorry honey!!!
Anyhoo, because of that, will make it a quick post today........
Got another faint Pos this morning on the HPT. Definately not as dark as yesterday, more resembles Tues stick. Am sure it'll be even fainter by tomorrow. Am under no illusion it's anything other than the Pregnyl. By now I should be having some genuine Preggo symptoms, but I've got none.
No headache, no nausea, no heightened smell/smell aversions, no frequent urination, no tender/sore breasts or nipples, no nipple changes (sizes/colour etc), no changes to colour of vagina, no feeling hungry all the time etc. At this late stage of the game, I should be having some if not all of these symptoms. Yes, my boobs are huge, but that's from the Progynova and all the other "symptoms" I've been describing are obviously just side-effects from all the other drugs.
If the line had been even the tiniest bit darker this morning, I may have allowed myself the teensiest spark of hope plus the First Response HPT''s are pretty sensitive (not sure just how sensitive as in numbers) that they'll pick up pretty small amounts of HCG anyhoo. Nope, am pretty certain tomorrow's stick will seal the BFN deal.
Rang up the lab earlier to find out how many vials of DP's TESA'd sperm is on ice and there's 2 (same as we got after Cycle 1) and have put pen to paper this morning and worked out how much $ we'll need to go again in about 5 months time. Now, to convince DP to try again I know he's not going to be very open to the idea, so will have my work cut out convincing him.
Ok girls, am off, gotta go run some errands. to everyone and I'll be back again tomorrow to update. Have a great day!!!!
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21-06-2013 08:16 #119Member
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Blonde How are you feeling today? What are those pee sticks looking like now? I am sorry to hear that you think BFN is on it’s way but I’m not giving up yet… not till all is revealed at BT. I am hanging in there with you here counting down the hours/minutes. I’m really glad to hear that should things not work out this time round that you are prepared to do another cycle – and plenty of time to work on DH. I just know that if you aren’t lucky this time there is still plenty of life left in those ovaries of yours and that it is just a matter of time… and lord knows, it would be a crime to let DH sperm go to waste after all that he had to go through to get it Anyway thinking of you girl and if hope and babydust could get you over the line to your BFP you know I would well and truly have you there by now…. Here's some for yesterday..., today... and tomorrow.... .
Mrs P… how did your consult with Dr L go?
AFM… nothing much to report here. AF has been pretty normal no heavier than usual really which I am surprised about. The next 2-3 months is going to be an agonising wait till the next cycle… I would really like to give it the full three months to give myself the best chance of all the supps/dhea/exercise/acu etc to do their thing so I feel like am on a 90 countdown… only 83 days to go…. Arrrrghhhh… Oh well a lesson in patience if nothing else.
BTW ladies the royal jelly is from Healthy Bee Australia and it comes in 50g jars and needs to be kept in the fridge. This time round it cost me $15 which for some reason was cheaper than normal – it is usually around $20 something.
Well my dears, that’s all for me for now. Till next time…..
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21-06-2013 10:30 #120
Love the optimism from you girl, but today's stick was considerably lighter than yesterday's to the point where you can barely see the pink anymore. Yes, am not giving in just yet and know with some careful financial planning, we can afford to go again in 4-5 months time. I, too, want to give my body time to reap the full benefits of all the supplements plus, from past experience, I know it does my ovaries no good to go again too soon. So, yes love, I hear you about the agonising count down!!!! Now all I have to do is convince DP Still working on my approach......not quite sure what angle to take with him just yet......
Thanks for the heads up about the Royal Jelly. Can you order it online love??? Or maybe I'll check out the Chemist Wharehouse and see if they've got it there??? Good news about AF being the same. Now I know what I'll be in for when mine rears its ugly head!!!
As I've just mentioned, today's stick was considerably lighter than yesterdays. Am certain it'll be a BFN by tomorrow, so with that in mind, I've decided to get the BT done a day early and do it tomorrow morning instead of Sunday. I just want to stop all the meds and get AF out of the way and concentrate on my next plan of action. When you're looking at a BFN (again) one day's not going to make any difference.
Of course I'm sad and disappointed, but the thought of being able to convince DP to go for another Cycle is the only thing stopping me from collapsing in a heap and completely losing the plot to be honest. And you're right Dom....I don't want to let DP's sperm go to waste after all that effort either. I'm not sure there is too much more life left in these ovaries (my AMH is way lower than yours Domiffy girl, even if it's been a couple of years since you last tested it) and I know the pregnancy rates after 40 are pretty dismal, so want to have one last whirl on the IVF wheel.
I just don't understand what the problem is and why our embryo's won't implant???. After 4 failed Cycles, I'm becoming disheartened and pi$$ed off about the whole thing all at the same time. Ok, putting my age to one side, there's nothing wrong with my oven, I don't have any immune/chromosomal issues (and neither does DP),our fertilisation rates are excellent regardless of how many eggs are suitable to be fertilised after EPU and the embryo's develop within their normal timeframe (more or less.....Embryologist's have never been worried). The only 2 things it could be are that our embryo's are all abnormal or my body doesn't like fresh transfers, both of which I can do F.A. about as we definately can't afford PGD testing and we've never had any frozen embryo's on which to rule in/out my "fresh transfer" theory although I did broach that with WDA before I started this cycle and questioned whether we could do a "freeze all" on Day 3 and then come back in a couple of months, thaw them out until Day 5 and do a transfer then, but he wasn't keen on the idea...... What do you think Dom and Mrs P.....????? Am at my wit's end now trying to come up with new idea's etc to get a BFP.....
Anyhoo, it's time to formally hand over the "BFP Baton" to you Mrs P...... Btw....hope you're starting to feel better and all's well with you and yours too.
Allrighty my lovelies, am off until this time tomorrow. Hopefully I'll have the BT results by the time I post just so I can get it out of the way. Take care and to everyone following........ and good luck to you all!!!
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