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    I read this article this morning. I think this issue is part of a much bigger issue that the vast majority of us in Australia are pretty much oblivious to. The fact is that in many parts of the world, having a girl is nothing to celebrate unlike having a boy. In many cultures girls are not cherished, they are considered a burden. Some cultures don't even count girls when asked how many children you have (so I would say I have one child as I have 1 son and 1 daughter). Baby girls may be abandoned to die purely because they are girls.

    We are very lucky to live in a country were abortion on the grounds of gender is met with such opposition. I don't mean that because I am anti-choice (which I am most definitely not), I mean that because in Australia, for the most part we would celebrate equally the birth of a boy or girl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~Bec~ View Post
    I read this article this morning. I think this issue is part of a much bigger issue that the vast majority of us in Australia are pretty much oblivious to. The fact is that in many parts of the world, having a girl is nothing to celebrate unlike having a boy. In many cultures girls are not cherished, they are considered a burden. Some cultures don't even count girls when asked how many children you have (so I would say I have one child as I have 1 son and 1 daughter). Baby girls may be abandoned to die purely because they are girls.

    We are very lucky to live in a country were abortion on the grounds of gender is met with such opposition. I don't mean that because I am anti-choice (which I am most definitely not), I mean that because in Australia, for the most part we would celebrate equally the birth of a boy or girl.
    Absolutely Bec and thanks for addressing this issue from a cultural angle. It didn't even occur to me to think culturally even though I know everything you wrote is unfortunately the sad truth on a global scale.

    PS We still haven't discussed the increfible writings of Ayaan Hirsi Ali but will soon!!
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    Though I would never I still think is a woman's right to do with her body as she wants.

    Reading the article I got the impression it was more something the father was pushing and maybe the woman really was being controlled and manipulated into this decision


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    Quote Originally Posted by ~Bec~ View Post
    I read this article this morning. I think this issue is part of a much bigger issue that the vast majority of us in Australia are pretty much oblivious to. The fact is that in many parts of the world, having a girl is nothing to celebrate unlike having a boy. In many cultures girls are not cherished, they are considered a burden. Some cultures don't even count girls when asked how many children you have (so I would say I have one child as I have 1 son and 1 daughter). Baby girls may be abandoned to die purely because they are girls.

    We are very lucky to live in a country were abortion on the grounds of gender is met with such opposition. I don't mean that because I am anti-choice (which I am most definitely not), I mean that because in Australia, for the most part we would celebrate equally the birth of a boy or girl.
    This is enabling the absolute lack of gender equality present in these cultures. The disrespect shown to a particular sex in cultures is abhorrent and in no way should be encouraged, especially when it comes to abortion!

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    Quote Originally Posted by redlipsandpearls View Post
    This is enabling the absolute lack of gender equality present in these cultures. The disrespect shown to a particular sex in cultures is abhorrent and in no way should be encouraged, especially when it comes to abortion!
    Not to mention messing with the natural order of things, which allows a relatively equal number of the genders which ensures the ongoing survival of the human order. It's fascinating how nature takes care of natural selection in this way, we shouldn't mess with that as it's dangerous.

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    I know in India there is a ban on telling the gender just because of high rate girl abortions, even celebrity Aishwara had to fly to somewhere else to find out the sex of her baby for that reason.
    Personally is a big no for me, and also I am thinking, we are at risk of having to see it more often as people from those cultures (not valuing girls) are more and more numerous here, and obviously the transition to the different way of thinking (= to cherish all children, no matter what gender) will be very, very slow process, also not necessarily considered by themselves (if you kwim).
    God, why this is so complicated? When I think of those who try, suffer and really deserve to be parents.

    Please, I don't want to stereotype or prejudice, it is just social processes and reality, whether we like it or not.
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    Is the first article VicPark posted different than the link? I can't find the article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MeetTheBluths View Post
    PS We still haven't discussed the increfible writings of Ayaan Hirsi Ali but will soon!!
    Most definitely! Essential reading for all!!

    (sorry off topic)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonsterMoosMum View Post
    Reading the article I got the impression it was more something the father was pushing and maybe the woman really was being controlled and manipulated into this decision
    I think it would be a fair assumption that if the couple are seeking an abortion because the fetus is a girl and they are from a culture that does not cherish girl babies then it would be a male dominated culture so that may the reason why the husband did all the talking and was the dominant person.

    I feel sorry for the woman. I bet your bottom dollar she has considered the growing person inside her a loved baby to-be. What an awful awful situation.

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    I don't think a woman should have a right to do anything she wants because its her body.

    I'm not going to hide the fact that I am anti abortion in all cases except with severe medical issues. But I do understand why some women choose to abort (not financially ready, abusive partner etc).

    But to say you're ready to have a baby.... Then to turn around and choose to abort because of the babies sex... To me that crosses a line of decency from the uncomfortable but understandable.... to the abhorrent. I see nothing wrong with society as a whole stepping in and saying "this is wrong. Lets do what we can to make sure it does not happen." I don't think women should have the right to make &@$@ decisions because its her body.

    If cases like this continue to hit the media it will only serve to turn public support to the pro-life lobby. Tighter controls on the reasons for abortion may help preserve the right to abort for those who chose to do so for less vile reasons..?..
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