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    Quote Originally Posted by Clementine Grace View Post
    Then I find that very sad.
    I agree. I realise I've kept my head in the sand about this but after this thread I decided to try and learn more. It just makes me feel sad for everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by headoverfeet View Post
    I was asking because I fail to see how being prolife 'for life' can only apply to healthy fetuses. I did not bring up the mothers life being at risk.
    Bc clearly a healthy baby and one with trisomy 13 have vastly different prognosis and quality of life. You are comparing apples and oranges, and I will say, women who terminate for medical reasons still carry huge grief and guilt. it's not like 'oh healthy termination is terrible but since the baby or I am sick, oh well'. It's a risk analysis.

    I use this analogy. 2 pet owners go to a vet to put down their dog. One dog has inoperable cancer and is blind. The other owner is doing it solely bc they no longer want to own a pet. Then saying someone that judges the 2nd owner only cares about the healthy dog and in essence that wanting to put the dying dog down makes them the same as the other owner. Now I know the dog isn't in the owners body lol but you get what I'm saying.

    I know you didn't bring up risk to the mother but they make up a decent amount of medically necessary abortions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskittyfantastico View Post
    I suppose my conundrum is that just because a life can be saved, does that mean it should be? What if the cost of saving that life, is a life of trama, pain etc..
    It is a conundrum indeed, I really don't know the answer. I guess the other side is that the child could live a full and happy life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by headoverfeet View Post
    Needing to provide a reason is really up to the GP you initially see, I was not question past am I sure this is the right choice. People I have spoken to have had to go from GP to GP to obtain a referral then there is the matter of affording one (mine was $500 cash) and accessibility to a clinic not everyone has the ability to pay travel and accommodation costs as well.
    I do agree that women should have adequate access, be it a surgical abortion or the MAP, RU40 etc....

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskittyfantastico View Post
    I suppose my conundrum is that just because a life can be saved, does that mean it should be? What if the cost of saving that life, is a life of trama, pain etc..
    It's impossible to know. If I knew when I was pregnant I would lose my child when he or she was a 2 yo would I risk those 2 years knowing my heart was going to eventually break?

    Only the parent can answer that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clementine Grace View Post
    It is a conundrum indeed, I really don't know the answer. I guess the other side is that the child could live a full and happy life.
    Yeah. This is a discussion that always leaves me with a heavy heart.

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    At the end of the day, I personally don't know how you can justify a late term abortion simply because the child is not the desired gender. How many do you do before you get the right sex? It's very sad to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    BigRedV I note you thanked this post. Up until now you've been very black and white about what it means to be pro choice. Are you now accepting we do not all have to agree with your definition on this?
    No, I am sleep deprived, tired and read it wrong

    My definition of what? Pro-choice?

    Again, everybody in this thread finds the idea of this sickening. Nobody agrees with it at all!
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    I read last night that late term abortions are very rare, and are mostly due to medical reasons.

    I think we need to keep this in mind, there are a few posts in this thread insinuating that it happens all the time and willy nilly, and that is just NOT the case at all.

    I would go as far as to say, that women who abort late term based on gender, are either being pressured into it, or they are mentally unwell. Just read the thread, both pro choice and anti abortion, none of us can understand how anyone could do such a thing, so that to me says that is because it isn't a "normal" thing to do.

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    Ok, I've slept on it. It was important for me to be able to say I was pro-choice, but I'm going to have to say I'm not completely. That (medical conditions aside) I'm only pro-choice until the point of viability, and that after that time I acknowledge two people's bodily autonomy, not just the mother's.

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