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29-04-2013 18:18 #211
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This is what Wikipedia says (for the pro- choice movement in the States), the very last sentence applies to this definition debate:
'There are diverse arguments and rationales for the pro-choice stance.'
Last edited by Kirst33; 29-04-2013 at 18:29.
29-04-2013 18:19 #213
As has already been established, Ireland and El Salvador have blanket rules for no abortions, and look what's going on there. Someone with strict moral codes has enforced laws to the detriment of women.
Also have a look at New Mexico. In January THIS YEAR a bill was proposed that has the potential to have women prosecuted if they sought an abortion after they were the victims of sexual assault, under the guise of 'tampering with evidence'. So, if a woman fell pregnant after being rapes, she either continues the pregnancy, or faces prosecution. Another law in the making that was made with someone's own moral code and agenda at play that only serves to the detriment of women. (http://cathrynnbrown.com/page.php?t=hb_206)
When it comes to the topic of abortion, reproductive rights and bodily autonomy (a topic I've just done a Uni assignment on, so obviously a topic i'm passionate about), the big issue is in regards to law, is that you can't judge on a case by case basis, that is far too much work and red tape and opens itself up for a legal mess. You can however, have sweeping laws, but I still personally believe, that these sweeping laws shouldn't take away a woman's right to her reproductive organs and bodily autonomy.
Currently here in Tasmania a bill is being proposed (it's passed the lower house, so far) which serves to decriminalise abortions (yes, in 2013 it is still a criminal offence to have an abortion, though they are still accessible under the sign of two doctors). The initial bill was that a woman could have an abortion out of choice, up to 24 weeks without the sign off of two doctors, after that, two doctors would need to approve and sign off. But after outrage, that was dropped to 16 weeks. So, mothers choice up to 16 weeks, then with the approval of 2 doctors.
So yes, there are laws that state how far is too far to terminate a pregnancy. If you want to go in to late term abortions, then it is SUCH a low percentage of women who seek out late term abortions. That percentage would be mostly made up of incompatible with life babies, or situations where the mother is at risk. It's also not an easy process to get through, usually involving counselling and an ethics committee.
29-04-2013 18:21 #214
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29-04-2013 18:23 #215
29-04-2013 18:26 #216
As a side note, if you're going to get worked up about abortions. Then direct yourself to a country like China, not Australia. Late term abortions are extremely common in China, for both male and female babies. Women have been known to be kidnapped, beaten, forced to sign forms they know nothing about, before being drugged before they have their pregnancies aborted. That happened as recently as this year, it also happened last year. These women were 7 months pregnant (despite their laws stating abortion is illegal after 6 months). They had 'over quota' pregnancies. With 13 million abortions said to occur every year in China, most of them are thought to be forced.
So if you have an agenda, direct it at China. Not Australia
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29-04-2013 18:28 #217
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29-04-2013 18:30 #218
(WARNING - Following is a fairly disturbing story about a late-term abortion decision)
As I said, I've had times where my stance has been really difficult for me. A mentally-ill online friend made the decision to have her baby terminated by arranging for someone to violently attack her. She was approximately 10 weeks away from her due date. She was, as I said, severely mentally-ill, but she contacted me after she did this, confessed that's what happened, and told me that she was thinking of me the whole time, and my pro-choice stance on abortion, and how I've said that women ALWAYS should have the right to make these choices to themselves. She is a vocal anti-abortionist, so this was an act she would personally find abhorrent (again, before people quote and call her a monster - severe mental illness was at play).
It made me feel sick. I lost sleep over the fact that my words had made it okay, in her mentally-ill state, to do that to herself to her baby. She deeply regretted it, but felt, at the time, that it was absolutely in her baby's best interests.
So it's not an easy stance to take... it can make you feel physically ill and bother you endlessly, when your stance is used to fuel that kind of action.
BUT... that's one woman. One mentally-ill woman who could have done the exact same thing regardless of any laws. Perhaps if it was legal, she would have done it in a safer, less violent way. Perhaps she wouldn't, and would have still done it that same way. But one woman's decision in a mentally-ill state doesn't mean anything to my stance, overall... because many other women would use that stance (that it's THEIR RIGHT to do whatever they damn well please to their own body and its contents) and NOT do anything like that. Many women would simply feel less trapped, less depressed, less "owned" by the government, if they can make the choice for themselves if ever the situation arises where they consider abortion. For WHATEVER reason.
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29-04-2013 18:32 #219
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29-04-2013 18:34 #220
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