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    All I know is I could never be the dr or a midwife in the room when an otherwise healthy baby was delivered at 20 weeks and then died without even a cuddle from its parents bec its sex was unacceptable. God I'd be haunted for life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    Yes! I think you're agreeing with me? I'm tired and it's getting a bit late for me

    I absolutely think it's wrong, but that is my belief, I'm not about to force it onto others.
    lol yes we agree. I guess my point is that you can disagree with aborting over gender and still be pro choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirst33 View Post
    Yes, in Victoria you can terminate at your will until 24 weeks. After that it can only be medically necessary and you need two drs to sign off on it. The article states it was a Melbourne couple so they would not have needed a medical reason.
    Thanks. That was my understanding too

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    It's an abhorrent senario, isn't it? I am pro choice, always will be, but I can't understand this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    lol yes we agree. I guess my point is that you can disagree with aborting over gender and still be pro choice.
    Haha! Sorry, like I said, tired and it's my bedtime.

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    I consider myself pro-life. I don't think discontinuing access to safe abortion is the way to go, but the Abortion laws in Victoria are all kinds of wrong IMO. I personally think the baby's right to life should trump the mother's right to bodily autonomy. Thats just me, I believe life starts at conception and while it may inconvenience a woman to have to carry a baby full term (if she were to adopt the baby out), I don't think that is worse than the act of terminating a pregnancy.

    Having said that, I have a lot of sympathy for anyone who has felt that was their only option. I have not walked in their shoes, so I try not to pass judgment.

    I agree with a couple of PP (one pro-life and one pro-choice) who said that this case is really not much different to any other reason (bar incompatibility with life) a woman chooses to terminate. Women choose abortion for a multitude of reasons, and you either agree that a woman's right to choose/bodily autonomy is more important than the life of the baby, or its not. In Victoria, up til 24 weeks, you can terminate for whatever reason you want, no questions asked. And if the place you request it refuses, they are obligated BY LAW to refer you to someone who will.

    I feel for the woman in the article, I doubt it was her decision (just from reading the article) and its cases like this that make me more against abortion, especially such easy access to it, because there are SO MANY cases where women are coerced into it by their husbands, boyfriends, mothers etc, and they are the ones who have to live with that decision for the rest of their lives. It makes me really sad

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    I haven't read all the thread but people like that do not deserve babies

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    I have always considered myself pro choice, but like a lot of others on this thread, terminating a pregnancy because of gender makes me feel really upset. I wish these kinds of things didn't happen.

    But then I think to myself, that if we didn't have the choice, we'd be back to backyard abortions just like in the not so distant past.

    And even if I don't agree with someones reasons for termination, I will still defend free and safe abortions for all women. Because for me, forcing a women to keep a pregnancy when she doesn't want to or can't (for whatever reason) is akin to torture.

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    I agree with previous posters, I find abortion for the reason of gender selection or late term abortion for non medical reasons abhorrent.

    At the end of the day though, you can get an abortion for any reason. As far as I know, you don't need to state your reason or have your reasons assessed when you book in for a termination. I knew a chick who had three within 18 months, it was basically a form of contraception for her. I personally find that very sad, but that's just me. Everyone is different.

    I'd hope that a doctor wouldn't perform a late term abortion because the parents found out the gender and didn't want it, I 'd find that dispicable.

    As someone who has taken years to have a baby and knows so many wonderful women who go to hell and back while TTC I get quite upset by gender selection threads or gender disappointment threads. It's a 50/50 chance, if you don't like one of those options then don't try to have a baby.

    I just personally don't understand those who aren't satisfied with a healthy baby.
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    Thinking about this thread reminded me of a story my mother told me many years ago about when she was a midwife. It was just after gender scanning had begun and they were able to tell people what they were having. A Chinese couple were told they were having a girl. He was furious. Within a week she was admitted to emergency as she had fallen down a flight of stairs. She lost the baby. She was unable to have any more kids. My mother cared for her and she said the woman never spoke to a soul not even her husband. No one knew but everyone suspected he had pushed her or she had thrown herself down the stairs.

    I guess when I think about that and separate my own circumstances from the reality for some people I understand why abortion has to be freely available. I may hate that it is, but I get why it has to be. I imagine in many countries where abortion isn't legal and safe many women simply die if they are carrying a baby that is unwanted due to its sex.

    I don't know how to say this without sounding culturally insensitive which is not my intent but given abortions for this reason are likely to be cultural in the most part, and that these people would be extremely unlikely to have access to overseas gender selection I guess the reality is abortion is in most states legal past the point where gender testing is done so it doesn't really matter what I think about it. And that has to be preferable to situations like what my mother described.

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