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22-03-2013 12:41 #161
22-03-2013 12:41 #162
It's interesting Peg that we sit at opposite ends of politics yet have the same issue - we believe in the core beliefs of the party but are unhappy with the leader. Have you thought how you will get around this voting wise?
22-03-2013 12:45 #163
22-03-2013 12:49 #164
Delirium - if thats asking me - the answer is I cant see the way I will still vote Libs as I do believe their policies and management are better than that of Labor ... but I really HATE some of their policies and ideas - and it grates that in voting for them I am putting TA in as Prime Minister. I voted Greens in the senate last election as I did not at all like the Libs having power in both houses (and I actually thought Libs would win last time around) ... but I wont vote Greens again. Libs with power in both houses would do less damage than Greens having the balance of power I think. (that might be contraversial here, and many will disagree with me ... but thats ok. I like to listen to other peoples ideas - I even occasionally change my mind )
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22-03-2013 13:03 #165
lol whoops sorry KM yeah I was referring to you.
I would much prefer Turnbull, although I'm not a fan of him either....
I feel bad for Crean now he has been sacked. I fully believe he did the press conference with the understanding that Rudd would contest Gillard, as with the rest of his supporters. They have now been hung out to dry and will quit.
22-03-2013 13:11 #166
I do below the line too.
It takes forever, and hte paper is massive... but who cares?
Usually I don't know who half of them are, so I label my priorities, then put the ones I "don't want in," in the last numbers, and just kind of make up the middle...
22-03-2013 13:16 #167
Yeah I feel bad for Crean. He is a super smart guy and the ALP is far better off with him on the front bench, so that isnt so good. Chris Bowen never did anything for me really, so I dont see him as much of a loss for them.
I honestly think the leadership stuff was part of a plan that Rudd orchistrated. Problem is she called the spill earlier than he planned and he didnt quite have the numbers, so backed out at the last minute.
Julia Gillard is a pretty smart operator, and she would not have called the leadership spill unless she was reasonably sure she had the numbers.
I honestly dont think much of it matters as they are going to lose the election no matter what they do.
22-03-2013 13:19 #168
and yes... she called the vote within hours so he didn't have time to get numbers, very sneaky.
22-03-2013 13:29 #169
As far as voting goes - remember that it is the lower house or House of Representatives that determines the government.
that is the one where you label all the boxes.
In most seats while there may be quite a multitude of candidates, the real race is between the Liberal / National and the Labor Member.
the way preferential voting happens is that all the "number 1" votes are counted ... then whoever has the least votes, he/she is out, and his/her votes are re-distributed and given to whoever those people put as "2"
So - if you have 5 candidates
1st round (primary votes)
Mary - ALP - 1,000
Alice - Lib - 1,000
Karen - Green - 500
Joanne - Ind - 400
Kylie - Ind - 250
then after the first round, Kylie's 250 votes are redistributed. Whoever voted for Kylie, they look at who they put as number 2 and give that person the votes.
Mary - ALP - 1,100
Alice - Lib - 1,100
Karen - Green - 550
Joanne - Ind - 400
Now they cut the last person again - so Joanne's votes are redistributed. They take her pile of votes, and allocate the vote to whoever is next on the ballot that is still in ... so any votes for Joanne or Kylie are discounted, and the vote goes to whoever they put highest out of Mary, Alice and Karen.
Mary - ALP - 1,300
Alice - Lib - 1,300
Karen - Green - 550
This is the last round .... they cut the person who is 3rd - and allocated her 550 votes to whoever all of those people favoured - Labor or Liberal.
whoever ends up with the most, wins.
Effectively what I am saying is - in Most cases - it doesnt really matter whether you vote for the Australian Sex Party before or after the local independant ... your vote is still going to go to whoever you put higher, Liberal or Labour. Even if you put them last and second last.
1) I have discounted the greens as they do not get many federal lower house seats. I think Adam Bandt is the first
2) occasionally an independant will get in - but currently we have 3 independants and 1 green (as at the last election, have a few more now that were ousted from the party) ... so not a huge number get anywhere close. Most of the races are between the major parties.
22-03-2013 13:42 #170
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