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    I haven't read the article, I would find it too distressing so bear with me if some of the information is in the article.

    We don't know what level of hemophila the baby had, mild, moderate or severe.

    We don't know how hemophilia is most commonly identified in the particular level he had. If, for example, he had a severe case of hemophilia that may mean pretty much certain death as soon as there is an open wound. If he had a mild case that may be first diagnosed when he stubs a toe and it takes longer for the wound to clot than non-hemophiliacs.

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    Wow I personally wouldn't circumcise my child and haven't ever cared what other parents choose to do but after reading this and realising that babies can die due to the procedure (never looked into it or read threads regarding it so never knew) there is definitely no need for it to be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regina Phalange View Post
    Ok, so obviously I am really not getting it! And I don't know much about haemophilia, but basically it seems that you are saying that the baby would have most certainly died anyway as a result of the haemophilia, and the circ just caused it to happen earlier rather than later? It just seems to me that if the baby had not been circled and deliberately cut, they would not have bled out and died? But would they have does instead from, say, a heel prick or immunisation jab instead? Is the life expectancy of someone with haemophilia basically zero, or could the baby have possibly survived if not circed?
    I don't think anyone is saying that he would have died due to his condition some time in life anyway, but that it can't really be classed as a circumcision fatality.

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    That was an article that made me physically ill. It was disgusting and the author should be ashamed of himself. Fancy taking quotes from grieving family, and pictures of the baby and posting them up in his blog to use as evidence and to hold the family up to ridicule and abuse from the general population.

    At the bottom of the page is the grandfather of the little boy who died and what he had to say on the matter. I felt so horribly for him.

    If someone didn't intentionally kill their children, then I see no need for their crucafiction from the general population, especially while it's so fresh and they're grieving.

    ****ing disgusting, whether we agree with circumcision or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennaisme View Post
    That was an article that made me physically ill. It was disgusting and the author should be ashamed of himself. Fancy taking quotes from grieving family, and pictures of the baby and posting them up in his blog to use as evidence and to hold the family up to ridicule and abuse from the general population.

    At the bottom of the page is the grandfather of the little boy who died and what he had to say on the matter. I felt so horribly for him.

    If someone didn't intentionally kill their children, then I see no need for their crucafiction from the general population, especially while it's so fresh and they're grieving.

    ****ing disgusting, whether we agree with circumcision or not.
    Wow, I'm so glad I didn't read it! Thanks for the heads up!! What an awful thing to do.

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    poor bubba

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    I should be clear, but the man DID take down the pictures eventually.
    Then proceded to hold the grandfather "ransom" by threatening to put them back up for defending himself.
    This disgusting display continued on for another little while.
    I want to reach through the computer and strangle him with my bare hands.

    And then to blame the grandfather for statuses from his own facebook and photos of his own grandfather for the reasons they were being published.

    Oh bloody hell my blood is BOILING.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Regina Phalange View Post
    Right... So techincally, the cause of death was haemophilia, but had the child not been circumcised, they would not have died....from haemophilia. At that time in their life.
    No I think the point others have made is that he may never have died from hemophilia. Depending on the severity of the condition it could have been managed as he got older and he may never have died from it.

    So no I don't think it's correct to add "at that time in their life" if in saying that you're implying the circ'ing brought the inevitable forward (which no one can know).
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