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    bertie, thinking of you and understand how upsetting it is.

    AFM we can only dream. My eggs are dwindling I think as only have 3 or 4 on one ovary and none on the other and FS worried they are going to have difficulty getting them because of my fibroids so if this cycle doesn't work it's surgery for me and the end of the road for us as after 7 attempts I think as we have given it a good go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MGC Bertie View Post
    Unfortunately, our little embryo stopped growing, and this morning (day 5) it was still only 4 cells, so it's all over for us. It's very sad, because even with donor sperm we didn't get lucky, and now the possibility of it never happening seems rather real. Waiting for the FS's phonecall, then will probably take a couple of months break and try again in June or July.
    Oh Bertie, - I am so sorry that your embie didn't make it. It's so very disheartening. Be kind to yourself, and I hope your FS has something new to offer for when you think about cycling again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpringRain View Post
    Mrs P - thinking about you and sending sticky vibes your way.

    Kenta, thinking of you for your upcoming cycle.

    Ann, I am sorry to hear of your BFN. What have you decided to do next?

    Fortitude, glad to hear of your plans for a donor cycle

    Fleur, sorry to hear your news about your BFN and about your little boy Hope you are taking care of yourself this week. I'm happy to hear about your upcoming Elonva cycle, great that you won't need so many injections. Good luck for your current cycle.

    Sagitwist, how are you going?

    DJ, thanks for your update. Sounds like a real party in SA with so many of you going over! Sunny, how are you?

    Emski, congratulations on being PUPO!

    Micca, your trip is coming up so fast! Hope you have unpacked now and settled in.

    Bertie, I'm sorry to hear they couldn't get any good swimmers from your DH. Sending good vibes to your little embie - grow!

    Twocam, thinking of you for your EPU tomorrow

    Midnite, congratulations

    Hi to everyone else, hope you have had a good week.

    Reading everyone's posts on day 2, 3 or 5 transfers - it's great that you get a choice. My clinic seems to have day 5 transfer as a standard unless something happens beforehand. We have all been sick here - the works, sore throat hacking cough, fever, muscle aches etc. Maybe that is keeping AF at bay - she was due Sunday, but hasn't showed up. I tested this morning with FR but BFN. So when she shows up, onwards and upwards to the next FET. I felt a bit guilty last night, thinking that maybe I should have had the presence of mind to ask my FS to do another stim cycle this month, but I wasn't thinking of that back then.
    Springy, - Has AF turned up yet? Or are you still waiting? Good luck with your May FET.

    Twocam, - Hope your EPU went well yesterday.

    Fluer, - I thought about doing Elonva on our last cycle, but needles weren't my issue, so I just went with what my FS was used to using. Good luck with it, anything to lessen the side effects sounds good. I didn't know that about it.

    Elkalemi, - I am so very sorry for your loss. It's unfathomable to me to lose my son. Sending you lots of that your next cycle.

    I don't think there is a normal, we are all so different. To answer your question however;
    My first Stim at age 43 (antagonist 225 gonal F), we had 12 follies, got 5 eggs, 100% fertilisation. 2 put back on day 2. 3 frozen on day 2. - BFN... Month off before a HRT FET. 3 defrosted, 3 put back on day 3 (but one went back to 2 cells from 4) BFP DS born when I was 44.
    Second stim at age 45, AMH now <1.1 (antagonist 300 tonal F), 3 good follies, got 3 eggs, 100% fertilisation. 2 put back on day 2. 1 frozen on day 3 at 8 cells. - BFN... Month off before a HRT FET. 1 defrosted, lost 3 cells, but by next morning (day 4) was a compacting morula and transferred. 2WW ATM, POAS tomorrow, BT monday ...

    Hi to everyone else .

    MrsP...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrsPontipine View Post
    Springy, - Has AF turned up yet? Or are you still waiting? Good luck with your May FET.

    Twocam, - Hope your EPU went well yesterday.

    Fluer, - I thought about doing Elonva on our last cycle, but needles weren't my issue, so I just went with what my FS was used to using. Good luck with it, anything to lessen the side effects sounds good. I didn't know that about it.

    Elkalemi, - I am so very sorry for your loss. It's unfathomable to me to lose my son. Sending you lots of that your next cycle.

    I don't think there is a normal, we are all so different. To answer your question however;
    My first Stim at age 43 (antagonist 225 gonal F), we had 12 follies, got 5 eggs, 100% fertilisation. 2 put back on day 2. 3 frozen on day 2. - BFN... Month off before a HRT FET. 3 defrosted, 3 put back on day 3 (but one went back to 2 cells from 4) BFP DS born when I was 44.
    Second stim at age 45, AMH now <1.1 (antagonist 300 tonal F), 3 good follies, got 3 eggs, 100% fertilisation. 2 put back on day 2. 1 frozen on day 3 at 8 cells. - BFN... Month off before a HRT FET. 1 defrosted, lost 3 cells, but by next morning (day 4) was a compacting morula and transferred. 2WW ATM, POAS tomorrow, BT monday ...

    Hi to everyone else .

    MrsP...
    Good luck with your blood test MrsP xxx I hate that 2ww.

    Has anyone had amh testing? my fs hasn't said anything about it but would it suggest because of low amount of follicles and eggs on pick up I am getting on the low side.

    I must speak to him about it because I do worry about every little thing!

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    Kenta.... thanks for your kind words. Yes, I do wonder every day, where our cut-off will be. I think I can do a couple more cycles, but at some stage I'm going to have to do something different.

    Mrs Pontipine.... my DH is determined that I don't use Menopur again, as it didn't do either of the things that the FS said it would (produce more eggs, and grow them more evenly so they would all be of similar size at the same time). I spoke to the FS this afternoon, he said sorry, what more could he say. I'll make an appointment with him in a couple of weeks, go over all the numbers and work out what to do next time. A year ago my AMH was about 4, so I think I'll ask him to re-test that, just to see if anything has changed greatly in a year. You do give me hope that I may get lucky at my age, as it is one thing I worry about all the time.

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    Bertie, I am so sorry to hear your newsThinking of you.

    Kenta, hoping that this is not the case and your rogue ovary still has time to catch up with a few follies thinking of you.

    MrsP, for your testing, here are some good sticky vibes

    Emski, hope things are going well.

    Hi Fleur, DJ, sunny, Micca, sagitwist and everyone else

    Hi and welcome elkalemi! I am sorry to hear about your son and your recent miscarriage. I had exactly the same problem during my fresh cycles, AF turned up 1 week to 10 days after EPU, despite crinone. During my last FET, my
    FS kept upping my pessaries too, until I was on 4 a day like you. After my first dud fresh transfer, I madly did some research and talked to the FS and clinic. From what I understand, it seems that they think that the influx of hormones particularly FSH during a stimulated cycle somehow decreases the ability of the lining to accept an embryo but they aren't quite sure exactly how yet. So then I asked the FS if I could try a freeze all cycle for my next stim. She seemed quite happy with that, and we were lucky enough to get a few more from that one.

    As Mrs P has mentioned, it does seem that everyone is different and gets very different results even from similar medication. I have polycystic ovaries (but not the syndrome) and only found this out while TTC #2. Both my stim cycles have been antagonist ones, both using 225IU Gonal F, Cetrotide, and triggering with Ovidrel. Crinone was used after EPU. I had AMH testing just before starting IVF, and was told mine was in the abnormal range due to the PCO.

    AFM - AF arrived yesterday (funny that my cycles were always very regular before IVF, now it's anything from 23 days to 35 days ) So now on to FET #2.

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    Springy, - Good luck for FET # 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortitude View Post
    So I did another FET... another BFN. Kind of over all the failures.
    I still have 2 frosties left.
    Will make an appointment with my new FS- apparently she has some new ideas. Not sure what they are- already on clexane and prednisolone for the last two FETs.
    The frosties are already here... so can't change them.
    The last 2 are day 6 hatching blasties... so who knows?

    Fort
    Dear Fortitude, I am so sorry to hear about BFN. Your embies sound amazing so I hope your FS can give you amazing support for your implantation. Hang in there. You have so much looking positive there! Hugs to you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MGC Bertie View Post
    Unfortunately, our little embryo stopped growing, and this morning (day 5) it was still only 4 cells, so it's all over for us. It's very sad, because even with donor sperm we didn't get lucky, and now the possibility of it never happening seems rather real. Waiting for the FS's phonecall, then will probably take a couple of months break and try again in June or July.
    Oh Bertie. I am so sorry. I know how truly heartbreaking it is for an embie not to make it. My heart really goes out to you. Thinking of you and sending you hugs. This is so so sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elkalemi View Post
    Hi Fleur

    Yes p4 = progesterone. This cycle with the FET, I had regular blood tests to monitor and they upped my pessaries from 2 to 3 and then up to 4 a day @ 200mg each. My lowest p4 was 58 during that time but they wanted to maintain it.

    I don't think judging from my frozen that its the issue, I think it is the fresh cycles and that too many hormones are causing the crash. During my 3rd Fresh cycle I called my clinic and they said I was on the maximum dose of pessaries but I have learnt from these forums its not normal to get your period while on p4 and when I did get my period I rang and got an appointment with my specialist.

    He agreed it was not normal and thats when he said more monitoring with bloods and possibly injections as well. With my next my fresh cycle I will be pushing for it.

    I think I would only do one on my fresh cycle because I feel I have wasted them because of the p4 issue.

    I am sorry to hear of your losses as well. For me the death of my son has been far more traumatic than the miscarriage I have just had. Some days its hard to breathe but I have to keep going for my daughter.

    Is it common the older we get, the less follicles we get? I feel at my age I am drying up and that is really upsetting me and are there meds they can give to help improve with quality and/or numbers.
    Dear Elkalemi,

    I totally understand. There is no comparison between the loss of a child and a miscarriage though both carry different layers of grief and of course based on each persons journey miscarriages can feel even more escalated and raw than for others. I had a 6 week natural pregnancy in Dec 2011 (a year after my stillborn son) which resulted in MC - I was really disappointed but not completely devastated as I was actually in some way cheered up by the fact I actually fell pregnant. And after giving birth a stillborn baby my early MC felt so minor in comparison. Especially since I am still actively grieving over his loss. Strangely enough though, my first IVF cycle where my TFR was cxl as my embryo stopped developing was much much more devastating to me than my MC. This somehow does not seem logical but that was my reaction all the same. I felt much better during IVF cycle #2 that I got to TFR stage which a really great embryo (actually 2 but only tfr'd 1) even though I got BFN.Nothing will ever come close to the loss of your child. You must be so amazingly strong to be getting through this as you are. Even though, this IVF process is really painful when we hope so much and have to keep patiently waiting for a result..... It's so uplifting when we see our forum buddies have a BFP. It makes it feel all possible.

    On the Progesterone subject, I also got AF while I was on Crinone gel. Heavy suddent bleeding without warning. My FS said this indicated the embie had not implanted as opposed to an implantation that stopped developing. She was still suprised but did not seem concerned and hasn't discussed alternate action. Are you doing a different protocol now? Is your FSH interfering with your prog? I am not clear on what is going on for you with fresh vs frozen. Would you mind telling me a bit about this in detail? I would really find that helpful.

    Yes it is common that we get less follicles as we get older. But they can still produce viable eggs so hang in there and don't get dishearted. We only need 1 beautiful embryo to take. Thats all we need. I keep seeing that happen for people. Fingers crossed we all get our perfect embryo. My FS said she has noticed a correlation between AMH number and the number of eggs collected. IE there could be 15 follicals but if AMH is 6 then probably around 6 or so eggs will be collected, irrespective of the number of follicals. This is not an exact science but something she has noticed with her patients as something indicative. AMH typically drops with age.....


 

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