I agree with your entire post, almost. I think there really are people out there that don't deserve kids. Not because they are druggies or alcoholics or anything, just because they are horrible people, Joseph Fritzl springs to mind.
Also, I know an alcoholic who is a dad, it is not ideal and he is far from perfect. But jeez he loves his kids and he would lay his life down for them. It is so sad to see him slowly killing himself. But as you said, a lot has to do with Mental illness, and it doesn't make him bad or evil, just unwell
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08-02-2013 12:53 #41Senior Member
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08-02-2013 12:53 #42
I wonder if these women in QLD would even continue these pregnancies if they had access to safe legal abortion. Maybe they should be focusing on free contraception and safe legal (free? we can only hope) abortions instead of forcing women to carry and give birth to children they may not want or care about.
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08-02-2013 12:59 #44
It would be a sad day if women are to become nothing more than the vessel to carry the baby.
It all sounds very American and we know were all of their policies get them.
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08-02-2013 13:03 #45
Where is the line??
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08-02-2013 13:08 #47
Re: Lock up risk-taking mothers
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08-02-2013 13:15 #49
Lock up risk-taking mothers
My initial reaction was to agree with the idea of intervening when pregnant women are knowingly putting their unborn child at serious risk due to drug and alcohol abuse. I think something does need to be done to address it, but I just don't know what the answer is.
I completely understand the bodily autonomy argument too. I would hate to be told I have waived my rights to my own body just by being pregnant. But I think that's at the extreme end and doesn't reflect the intention of the proposed changes to the law.
I think there are circumstances where people forfeit their rights. If you commit a crime, you forfeit your right to be a free member of society. We're all ok with that aren't we? If a family member has a drinking problem, do you 'intervene'? Or do you say to yourself that it's their body and you have no right to challenge them on their behaviour? If those circumstances are acceptable, we could argue that there is valid cause to enforce a law that gets pregnant women with alcohol and drug problems off the street and healthy for the sake of their unborn child.
I think talking about locking up women for having a c-section or eating cheese or not breastfeeding (seriously???) is an over-reaction, the risk profiles would be drastically different.
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08-02-2013 13:17 #50
Its very, very scary. One more way to control women and make our bodies public property.
They would never suggest this level of control for men.
I do not condone drinking and drug taking during pregnancy, and am so sad for the poor babies but this kind of proposal is draconian. People may say, 'oh I'd never do that, so the law wouldn't effect me.' But once people accept one level of control, its easy to gradually increase it in stepping stones.
More education, better support for people at risk of self harm behaviours like this (because alcoholism and drug addiction is a form of self harm) and working on the root causes are a positive step in the solution. That is the way forward.
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