There are lots of definitions of "addict".
Your behaviour is impacting on the health of and your relationships with others
This is a persistent one that comes up regardless of what the addiction is. There are many more.
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09-02-2013 00:48 #181
09-02-2013 06:43 #182
As much as I'm done with this topic I just think that as much as everyone (including myself) would like to see any pregnant drug-addicted woman recover from the addiction (and drg-addicted males temporarily sterilised so as not to impregnate anybody), institutionalising and forcing it will only open up the way for people to use it as a form of violence against women. There are and always have been people out there who'd like to control women (think back to medievil witch hunt trials). It's not hard to think of how such laws could be used as violence against women.
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09-02-2013 08:21 #183
Lock up risk-taking mothers
09-02-2013 08:40 #184
Lock up risk-taking mothers
But that's just it.
If you ever read laws they rarely point out specifics. They will say general stuff like, (from the qld child protection act): " in protecting a child, the State should only take action that is warranted in the circumstances;"
It is filled with stuff like this. This stuff is deliberately vague as to not leave anything out... If it listed off all the drugs that would cause you to lose your kid, a new drug might be developed that is not listed and thus the same rules couldn't apply to a person on that drug, for example, so in that sense it makes sense to be vague and general rather than specific.
The thing is though, being vague also means that if someone wanted, they could easily make that about anything they wanted... Since risk cannot be clearly defined.
So laws passed CAN lead to people being persecuted for silly things... Because laws don't define specifics in many cases and leave plenty of room for interpretation.
09-02-2013 09:02 #185
Those without sin cast the first stone...
I would like to know who is going to fix these women and the children, who will no doubt suffer abandonement issues amongst many other things.
Just as a side note. I went to school with a girl who's mum was a heroin addict
her dad also, she was born horribly addicted. And after detoxing was handed back to her mum. She was one of the kindest caring people I have ever met, she is today one of au's most succesful advertising guru's. Her mothers trouble was well publicesed at the time as her mother was murdered, in a very high profile case as a teenager... Her mum was a beautiful woman who was horribly addicted, but yet managed to always be a good mum - if you could forgive her addictions. I only write about her because had her daughter been taken away, it would have been a tragedy for both mother and daughter.
09-02-2013 09:13 #186
Wow this topic is on fire! I have witnessed a few mums-to-be drinking and occasionally taking drugs, while they were acquaintances of mine, i did not condone what they were doing and told them so, anyone who knows me knows i dont hold back and honestly gave these women a serve. Its not fair on the babies, the mothers could have taken steps to prevent the pregnancy or even end it early if it wasnt planned or wanted. Its extremely selfish to put your baby in a position where it could be harmed by your actions in utero.
Saying this I dont believe these women who "take risks" should be safe housed or locked up, to prevent their behaviours, from what i seen, its a life long struggle and one of the mums in what i mentions above, was going thru a really rough time with her last baby; ie, other kids and partner when she resorted to drugs and alcohol, she was pretty responsible with her other pregnancies so IMO it was stress related, she knew what she was doing was wrong for her and the baby, but life got too much for her that very point in time
If the police and government push ahead with this when will it end? Im sorry but " high risk" mothers are already monitored if they are on the radar, Young mothers are on their radar, and all it takes is one concerned friend/family member and the right people will take steps to educate and monitor women like this. And if there is other children involved then the right authorities should be looking at those children already and taking steps to insure the mother or family as a whole get the help they need to be better caregivers to their children, unborn or not.
09-02-2013 09:29 #187
*Rape (most of which happens in a womans own home by her own spouse)
*Abortion isn't easy
*Abortion costs $450 (in WA)
*Abortion access by states here http://www.childrenbychoice.org.au/i...w-and-practice
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09-02-2013 09:33 #188
Why do you think legislation gets redrafted so often? Because things are always arising which no one thought of at the time.
And you are definitely giving our legislators far too much credit if you believe legislation isn't often passed without much thought.
09-02-2013 09:45 #189Even pregnant women are only human
And I'm sure mum would be asking who ordained the righteous chorus out there that believes it has the right to adjudicate on others from such a lofty perch of perfection?You are no longer a woman primarily, but an emerging mother and, as such, should be measured by a new set of rules as outlined by self-appointed martyr mothers who believe they are focused solely on the greater gestational good.What she was doing was being a flawed human being. Which is what every woman remains, piously pregnant or not
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09-02-2013 09:46 #190-
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Lock up risk-taking mothers
By all this logic there would be no laws in this country.
What it ultimately comes down to is a baby in the womb has no rights and that's it.
We have drinking laws, you can drink and no one can stop you at home. But in public you can't be drunk, you can be refused service of alcohol and you can't drive, this doesn't lead to silly arrests or people having their rights stripped, we control it to protect society from their actions because they're intoxicated and aren't making sound decisions.
Why can't we have specific laws like this when it comes to pregnancy? It can just be about alcohol and drugs, laws that are included in the ones we already have. Weekly visits to a counsellor mandatory, urine tests and repeated failure means going to a safe house. Not just get arrested out of the blue, but women who are already under these conditions with docs because they already have children.
How do we define addict? Believe me they are already on docs and police radar with regular contact and checks. They're not invisible when they have children.
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