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    Quote Originally Posted by lambjam View Post
    The fact is we all do things during pregnancy and while raising our children that one person or another would like to see made illegal. If the pregnancy and parenting police cone to town who's to say you're going to agree with what they enforce?

    Take away her rights and you take away your own.
    There was a proposed law in Georgia to have women charged for their own miscarriage. I totally agree - it's a very slippery slope and what is seen as a terrible thing by one person might be completely acceptable for others.

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    "Irrelevant to me", I mean, who cares? Why is it relevant to you? Or anyone else for that matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eko View Post
    She even hid it from her friends and family. Sorry but whether or not she struggled with it and felt guilty is irrelevant to me. The only reason she came forward to the public is because there were photos of her doing it.

    If she came forward without those photos I'd be very respectful of her. As it is all that it tells me is that the woman is lacking in integrity because she was hiding it even from those close around her.
    So no, I don't feel sorry for her. If she did it because she wanted to be open and honest then I would. But nope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lambjam View Post
    I didn't call you ignorant, I said "to do so" would be ignorant. If you would speak that way to someone then the boot fits.

    You have no idea if their sex was unprotected.
    I hear alot of people say it and I don't agree with it (unprotected particularly) I would never teach my children that pregnancy isn't an expected outcome of sex, so why should I go about with that philosophy? It doesn't make me ignorant at all so labelling me as such is somewhat of an attack

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    I'm not going to lie, I'm so jealous of those that have surprise babies bc I can't get one trying. But accidents happen (and of course that doesn't mean the child isn't loved). Contraception fails, people get drunk and don't use protection. Some women get pg at really weird times in their cycle when they should def not be fertile. It happens.
    I get what you mean - I often see it in another light. In my 10 years of being s3xually active, I have had only one baby slip through the cracks unexpectedly. It plays on my mind. I would have done anything for more 'surprises' because even years and years of unprotected s3x doesn't lead to them! So now I am gearing up to have my first ever conception on purpose lol. To me the 'surprise' simply meant I wasn't charting or what not to deliberately conveive during ovulation.

    To the 'surprise' baby haters in PPs, mine did surprise me. I'm sorry if that's offensive, but I couldn't help the way I felt - it's a feeling, and feeling aren't right or wrong. They're feelings and they can't always be controlled.

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    Default 'I knew it was wrong': Chrissie Swan admits to smoking while pregnant

    Quote Originally Posted by Someones Mummy View Post
    I hear alot of people say it and I don't agree with it (unprotected particularly) I would never teach my children that pregnancy isn't an expected outcome of sex, so why should I go about with that philosophy? It doesn't make me ignorant at all so labelling me as such is somewhat of an attack
    You have entirely missed my point. I could reword it or perhaps you could reread it?

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    Default 'I knew it was wrong': Chrissie Swan admits to smoking while pregnant

    Quote Originally Posted by redlipsandpearls View Post
    So you wouldn't be surprised if your contraception failed and you fell pregnant?
    Very few people fall pregnant if using contraception properly. They forget a pill or two, use antibiotics/vomit and don't use alternative protection... Etc etc.

    There's no way we can know the specifics of Chrissies situation. I'm simply going on Chrissies past history of poor decisions and guesstimating she is not in the 1% of women who were taking robust measures and fell pregnant anyway.

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    I don't understand how the fact this baby is a surprise means anything anyway? who cares? The fact she is so distraught tells me she does love the baby. I was a surprise and my parents love me and don't regret it a second. I don't see how that plays any bearing. People that plan their kids still smoke and drink while pg, occasionally yell at their kids. Have relationship break downs which may effect the kids. be broke and struggle to provide the essentials.

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    Just wondering whether a substantial number of the statements made in here today would be made if Chrissie got behind a wheel drunk and ran over a child.

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    Default 'I knew it was wrong': Chrissie Swan admits to smoking while pregnant

    Quote Originally Posted by happy wanderer View Post
    Just wondering whether a substantial number of the statements made in here today would be made if Chrissie got behind a wheel drunk and ran over a child.
    That's a crime, a crime against a living person, aka one outside of the womb.

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    Default 'I knew it was wrong': Chrissie Swan admits to smoking while pregnant

    Quote Originally Posted by happy wanderer View Post
    Just wondering whether a substantial number of the statements made in here today would be made if Chrissie got behind a wheel drunk and ran over a child.
    That would obviously be illegal. Smoking in pregnancy (although not a wonderful idea is perfectly legal. There is no way you could compare the two. It's ridiculous.

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