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    Quote Originally Posted by Clementine Grace View Post
    yes this is true. I just wondered if it might be an element in this current discussion.
    I think there is definitely an element to it. It's a very good point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clementine Grace View Post
    Do you think perhaps some of the negativity towards those on benefits from some comes from the fact that a lot of families are struggling at the moment with rising cost of living and housing prices but they earn just that little bit too much to receive any government benefits? Mortgages are so much more than they were a generation ago. Perhaps they don't really see how much (or how little) people receive but they feel a bit disgruntled that they don't receive anything? Not that they are entitled to, its just getting more and more of a struggle these days to keep on top of bills and things. Just a thought.
    I agree with this. Lots of people comment how they don't get anything bc they earn too much but should. The thing that seems to get lost though, is if they are doing it tough on 100k, imagine what the life of a single mum on 15k is like

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    I agree with this. Lots of people comment how they don't get anything bc they earn too much but should. The thing that seems to get lost though, is if they are doing it tough on 100k, imagine what the life of a single mum on 15k is like
    No I totally get that. I don't think people who earn that much feel the should get anything, just that sometimes they feel disgruntled that these days it seems like you have to earn so much to get ahead? So maybe that is where some of the negativity towards those on benefits comes from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kw123 View Post
    I have to admit I don't really understand the sentiment that women should be "paid" (I use that term loosely) to stay home until their kids are in school. I don't see why it's an issue to return to work earlier than that and have them in some sort of care.
    Because their is a child care shortage crisis, not just in places but in shortage of staff. If everyone returned to work this would make the problem so much worse and as someone who has attended many many ministers meetings and working groups on the issue I can tell you the government has no frigging idea how to fix it. Many families simply cannot get Childcare places for their child/ren and if they do then often t is not on the days that match up to vacant jobs. also the Childcare environment is not ideal for all children and some children simple do not cope.
    I think your comment is very naive and you have little understanding of the struggles of find good quality Childcare in your area on days that match available job positions. I also don't think anyone should have to leave their child in Childcare if they find it heartbreaking to do so, which many mums do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jez View Post
    Because their is a child care shortage crisis, not just in places but in shortage of staff. If everyone returned to work this would make the problem so much worse and as someone who has attended many many ministers meetings and working groups on the issue I can tell you the government has no frigging idea how to fix it. Many families simply cannot get Childcare places for their child/ren and if they do then often t is not on the days that match up to vacant jobs. also the Childcare environment is not ideal for all children and some children simple do not cope.
    I think your comment is very naive and you have little understanding of the struggles of find good quality Childcare in your area on days that match available job positions. I also don't think anyone should have to leave their child in Childcare if they find it heartbreaking to do so, which many mums do.
    Really? So if it makes the parent sad to put them in day care then the government should then support the family based on this? What about school should children not have to go to school if it makes the parents sad?

    We do all kinds of things that we dont like because we have to its life. We cant imply have everyone doing what they want it would be a shocking world if we did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovemyfam View Post
    Really? So if it makes the parent sad to put them in day care then the government should then support the family based on this? What about school should children not have to go to school if it makes the parents sad?

    We do all kinds of things that we dont like because we have to its life. We cant imply have everyone doing what they want it would be a shocking world if we did.
    School is an education daycare is NOT,
    and if a person is against the modern version of schooling they *can* home school.

    I'm sorry but if you think Americas system.is so much better ( as you appear to) why don't you take him and the kids back there?

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    There is a difference between 'feeling sad' about leaving your child and having a 2 year old with separation anxiety scream their head off when they are left, continue to cry for the day and then as a result disrupt their behavior and sleep and in the process the mother feels like her heart is breaking and she is destroying her poor child. As I said some children do not cope in Childcare. And your point about school age children has nothing to do with my response to the PP point about her seeing nothing wrong with leaving children from around 2 years in some form of care. By school age children have matured to a different level and are able to cope with being left by their parent in much better manner.

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    What a horrible hypocritical mess this is;

    It is extremely hard to get a job unless certain basic requirements are met, like adequate education for a start - few 'dole bludgers' have uni degrees - some are illiterate and have learning difficulties , so they in effect will be stuck in a poverty cycle for ever - either on the dole or on the lowest paying jobs.

    Some do have uni degrees but are over qualified for menial tasks.

    Some people are reduced to part-time hours which means they are not technically unemployed and get only limited financial assistance.

    Working mothers get canned for having other people raise their children.

    Some social commentators say child care is tantamount to child abuse

    OSHCare places are limited so kids are often left home alone until mum and dad get home after 5

    There is no OSHCare for secondary students

    Latch key teen kids are at high risk of getting into trouble and also not finishing their education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovemyfam View Post
    Really? So if it makes the parent sad to put them in day care then the government should then support the family based on this? What about school should children not have to go to school if it makes the parents sad?

    We do all kinds of things that we dont like because we have to its life. We cant imply have everyone doing what they want it would be a shocking world if we did.
    But not everyone has a partner to stay home with the kids? Should your partner stick the kids in CC and work? and I'm a SAHM myself so there is no dig at being at home. It's just on one hand you say parents shouldn't stay home with their kids, they should put them in CC and suck it up, yet your partner doesn't work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    But not everyone has a partner to stay home with the kids? Should your partner stick the kids in CC and work? and I'm a SAHM myself so there is no dig at being at home. It's just on one hand you say parents shouldn't stay home with their kids, they should put them in CC and suck it up, yet your partner doesn't work?
    Yes if we cant make it on my income he should but we are so he has the choice to stay home.


 

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