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    Quote Originally Posted by shelle65 View Post
    I don't want MY tax dollars ensuring that student doctors actually attend their classes and do their homework They should be working! They can just learn from their mistakes once they're qualified and earning an income and paying TAX!
    Lol we always have to be dramatic on the hub!

    PS they better get used to it, my doctor friend works day and night and extremely long shifts!
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    Quote Originally Posted by threechooks View Post
    My Dh was out of work for 6 months - recovering from surgery. He did not qualify for newstart/disability. F u government. They said we had too many assets. Assets that were impossible to sell during the GFC.
    My brother had a similar problem. The only payment he qualified for when he had cancer was Newstart. Centrelink's argument was that he could look for work between chemo sessions. I'm sure he would have been a really attractive employee prospect; no hair from chemo, sick as a dog and not sure if he was actually going to live.

    Something is broken with the current system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shelle65 View Post
    Well personally I would prefer it if the student doctor assisting with my operation didn't have to do a graveyard shift at McDonald's last night just to be able to get through uni...
    Yes, better to support students throughout their study rather than offer assistance for only part of it, which would mean it was a total waste to begin with for many students as 1. They'd have to leave study, and 2. They will be unemployable in their field due to not having completed their study!

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    I just wanted to quietly say that I really think we need to invest in the mother (be it single or partnered) staying home for at least the first 2 years if that means giving financial assistance then so be it. It would do well to increase our breastfeeding rates which would improve the financial demand on our hospitals etc. Once the youngest child reaches school age I do think the SAHP should return to work BUT we need to sort out things like work hours, CC, yadda yadda for some at the moment it is nearly impossible. I know some mining towns are hiring SAHM during school hours to cover workers breaks, it's an awesome scheme which serves both the company and the parents that want school hour jobs. I just wish there were more of them around.

    I think adding $50 a week to increase the dole is in line with the costs of living at the moment, for sure. We have struggled when hubby was made redundant a few years ago we were on newstart and PPP (included FTB and rent assistance) it was a nightmare we had to consolidate our debt to survive (a part 9 debt agreement which has killed my credit rating)- to be able to buy food and pay rent and to cover energy bills. I also think that if people cut down on buying things in credit it would make things easier should hard times hit, learnt this the hard way myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ana Gram View Post
    My brother had a similar problem. The only payment he qualified for when he had cancer was Newstart. Centrelink's argument was that he could look for work between chemo sessions. I'm sure he would have been a really attractive employee prospect; no hair from chemo, sick as a dog and not sure if he was actually going to live.

    Something is broken with the current system.
    He should have been able to get a temporary disability pension and the his partner should have been able to get a carers pension!

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    Quote Originally Posted by soon2bmumzy View Post
    He should have been able to get a temporary disability pension and the his partner should have been able to get a carers pension!
    Nope, they said he didn't qualify. No partner, so no help there.

    But this was 10 years ago, i would dearly hope they had changed this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    But it is what it's intended for lol To sustain them during the study period, which for an undergrad is usually 3-4 years. The payments of Austudy and Newstart are specifically designed and created to help them break the cycle - be that getting quals, or a job.
    3-4 years and they get 6-8 then the government is going above and beyond don't you think?

    Quote Originally Posted by lillytheo View Post
    I agree for short term users to have an increase of $50pw, unfortunately people do fall on hard times. Long term bludgers should have to work for the dole everyday, with time allowed for interviews and assistance with job seeking. No one should be able to stay at home and receive a payment.

    When your child is at school get a job if you are on government handouts.

    Having worked in hr I can tell you it is quite easy to pick those that don't want the job and are just there to tick the boxes for their next payment, they annoy me to no end as they waste my time and take up the interview place of someone who genuinely wants to work.

    Single mothers, when you consider FTB, child support and single parent pension are receiving more than those on minimum wage who go to work everyday to support their family.
    I understand people saying they have the right to stay home with their children & perhaps they do but I know HEAPS of "middle" income families where mum HAS to go to work as well to ensure that they can afford to live. Both parents are working and both parents do so to ensure that they can meet the needs of their children and provide a better life, what an excellent example they are setting IMHO , work hard to get ahead. Apparently these people though are to be scorned for thinking that if they have to do so why do others continually get handouts.
    Why if the "nuclear" family have to do that is everyone so adamant that single parents don't have to?

    If you choose to stay home with your children, that is your choice to make but don't think you are above or deserve or are entitled to more than people who go to work so that they can support their families. Stop whinging about your handout when people are working harder and giving up more.

    My mother was a single parent, no child support (the system back then didn't make it mandatory) and she worked her **** off! She cleaned, she took in ironing, she worked to provide for us. Because in her mind its not someone else's responsibility to pay for her kids. I can honestly say we didn't miss out, we had home baked biscuits and cakes and home made, packed with nutrition food. Yep we didn't have McDonald's or KFC or that crap but I think that is a good thing, we still got treats once a fortnight but once they were gone that was it until the next fortnight.

    She instilled in us that we had to work for everything and so we do. I worked from 14 & 9 months, I have never had difficulty finding a job, even after 12 months of not working as we were overseas for my husbands job I applied for three jobs within a week of being back in Australia and received interviews for all three and then was able to pick the job I wanted. I believe it's my work ethic that carries me from one job to the next, my reputation as a good worker, my presentation and ability to conduct myself appropriately in an interview. My husband left school, did an apprenticeship and through being good at his job, a good reliable person has worked his way up.

    I think people who say its not your tax dollar are naive and foolish. It is my tax dollar along with a lot of other hard working Australians tax dollars, I work my **** off, as does my husband, we receive nothing, we pay and use our private health, we will be putting our kids in private school, we pay some of the highest taxes in the world. Why shouldn't I get ****ed off that more & more of my money is taken away from me for working hard and making significant sacrifices for people who sit on the dole, single parent pension for years and years while I and millions like me work our arses off to pay for it.
    I hate Australia's Robin Hood mentality, you have more than me so you should give me more!!!

    Like I said at the start I have no problem paying the extra $50 a fn from MY tax dollars for those that have genuinely fallen on a hard time and for whom it is a short term solution, for those sitting on it for years, no increase should be given and they should have to work appropriate hours for what they do receive.
    Well said. My mom was the same, she worked went to university, with student loans and raised 3 kids watching this I learned that we work for what we need and if we cant make ends meet we either are over spending on things or need a better job. Like when I Was financially struggling she looked at my finances and pointed out that I did over spend, I was spending too much on the kids for stuff they wanted didnt need. If I wanted the kids to have an ipod, or video game I would have to get another job or better job which did make sense to me. She taught me to never depend on a man, woman or government to raise my kids and provide for them.

    I have had to rely on welfare in the states a few times to get back on my feet. It was what it was although the programs they have over there are much stricter and I think serve the people better you simply just cant sit on welfare anymore and it has helped a lot of my friends get back to work and get off welfare all together never to look back. You also can only get it for 4 years max your whole life which really makes people think before hopping on it. This is where people will bash America but hey their systems do work for a lot of people that want them to work. If they had the amount of jobs we have here it would be working a lot better, but where one cant find a job they create one for them to work for the payments, which then relieves money the government would have to pay to have another person work it so its pretty helpful.

    Quote Originally Posted by shelle65 View Post
    Well personally I would prefer it if the student doctor assisting with my operation didn't have to do a graveyard shift at McDonald's last night just to be able to get through uni...
    Most doctors work long hours at the hospital, many work 24 hour periods with naps here and there so most are tired when they go into surgery.

    Quote Originally Posted by headoverfeet View Post
    I just wanted to quietly say that I really think we need to invest in the mother (be it single or partnered) staying home for at least the first 2 years if that means giving financial assistance then so be it. It would do well to increase our breastfeeding rates which would improve the financial demand on our hospitals etc. Once the youngest child reaches school age I do think the SAHP should return to work BUT we need to sort out things like work hours, CC, yadda yadda for some at the moment it is nearly impossible. I know some mining towns are hiring SAHM during school hours to cover workers breaks, it's an awesome scheme which serves both the company and the parents that want school hour jobs. I just wish there were more of them around.

    I think adding $50 a week to increase the dole is in line with the costs of living at the moment, for sure. We have struggled when hubby was made redundant a few years ago we were on newstart and PPP (included FTB and rent assistance) it was a nightmare we had to consolidate our debt to survive (a part 9 debt agreement which has killed my credit rating)- to be able to buy food and pay rent and to cover energy bills. I also think that if people cut down on buying things in credit it would make things easier should hard times hit, learnt this the hard way myself.
    Right now parents get 6-8 years at home to raise the kids. Thats a lot longer than the 2 years.

    So is there a reason that parents cant get a degree in the 6-8 years that they are allowed to stay home? I understand that every parent prob wants to stay home and raise the kids but when life happens it cant always happen if you find that one parents income cant hold the family up you may have to go to work if you find yourself single you may have to go to work. Life doesn't always go the way we want but that doesn't mean we attack the government for not providing enough they do what they can do. I do think CC needs a rework but they are working on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mummajugs28 View Post
    I was doing cash work on the side etc
    So you were defrauding tax payers by not paying income tax?

    Why is there an assumption that wanting increase in some welfare payments means that we are ungrateful for the welfare system we have? I happen to think our nationalised medicare system is frikkin' fantastic but I can still think that it is woefully underfunded in many areas.

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