Hmm not really... I don't expect people to agree with my opinion on things. Though I suppose I can kind of liken it to speaking to people uneducated about say, homebirth, and spouting off about how dangerous & irresponsible it is. So yep, I can definitely see why you are frustrated with it.
I don't know why people (IRL that is) feel such a need to be so vocal about such a personal decision... I guess if they feel it is actually dangerous, they may be worried about other people's kids - but they need to be open to discussion on such a "hot" topic! Otherwise I just wouldn't bother talking about any subject, really, if you're not respected & heard.
+ Reply to Thread
Results 11 to 20 of 21
11-10-2012 12:53 #11
The Following User Says Thank You to BornToBe For This Useful Post:
11-10-2012 12:56 #12
I don't tell them that their opinions are wrong in regards to autism links (even though I don't believe there are any) or things like that because that's neither proven right or wrong) but when they say ALL vaccines contain aborted fetus cells, to scare monger a new mum, I will say that's wrong. For one, there are only three vaccines that are accused of having aborted fetus cells linked to them, of which none of them actually do.
The difference between me, personally, and every anti-vax person that *I* have dealt with is that I realise the difference between fact and opinion/theory whereas they tend to pass their opinion off as fact.
Last edited by atomicmama; 11-10-2012 at 12:59.
11-10-2012 14:21 #13Senior Member
- Join Date
- Oct 2011
Yes, I do find it hard. I am pro-vaxxing and perhaps a bit judgmental about the whole thing. To me, it's like trying to have a conversation with someone who doesn't agree that 2+2=4.
So I can understand why someone who is anti-vax would not find me a great conversation partner on this topic! But it isn't because we disagree, it's more because I find it hard to be polite and also say what I think. I'm sure they feel my judgment and that leads to defensiveness, which also makes me defensive of my position.
We're all human and I guess it's always hard to have an open discussion on a topic that you're not really open about. Sorry anti-vaxxers!
11-10-2012 14:36 #14
Yes I do find it difficult, mostly because most of them spout such c**p about vaccines and the diseases they protect against. Such as, I was at the park the other week and I overheard a mum telling another mum how she doesn't vaccinate because the risks outweigh the benefits. Her reasoning was that vpd's weren't very serious, ie whooping cough was 'only' a cough for a few weeks. *sigh*
The reason I get so riled up is that these people are convincing others not to vaccinate, using false scare tactics. And that impacts on all of us. To compare to a homebirth, while I disagree with high risk homebirth, if someone wants to do it and it turns out badly it is only them that are effected not the community at large as with vaccinations.
The Following User Says Thank You to 4underfour For This Useful Post:
11-10-2012 15:00 #15Senior Member
- Join Date
- Nov 2011
11-10-2012 15:23 #16Senior Member
- Join Date
- Oct 2009
I've tried to word my reply a few different ways, but each time I think I'm likely to offend those who don't vaccinate.
I guess the best way I can put it is that it is difficult to argue from a logical/ rational/ scientific viewpoint when the other party is not basing their argument on logic/ science.
I see it as a bit like debating evolution, homeopathy, or astrology. If someone holds a strong belief that has no basis in scientific evidence then you can't debate it from a scientific point of view, as you'll end up frustrated and getting nowhere.
I'm not sure what the answer is, as I believe it to be very important that we keep up herd immunity. The reemergence of VPDs is an awful thing, and to see pockets of these diseases springing up in areas where vaccinating happens less, is a tragedy.
11-10-2012 15:32 #17
TBH OP I find it harder to have a respectful calm conversation with people who do belive in vaccinating. I have vaccinated my children, that was my choice, but I respect that some parents choose not to. Thats their right and I see nothing wrong with it.
But most people iI know who do believe in vaccinating carry on and spout off about why anti-vaxers are this that and the other...
It has already been demonstrated in this thread... Just depends what side of the fence you sit on I guess...
11-10-2012 16:16 #18
11-10-2012 17:42 #19
That is true for *some* pro vax people, but in my experiences the only thing they say that is wrong is "your non-vaxed child will make my vaxed child sick" and I tend to correct them with "no, it can make your baby that is not yet able to be vaxed or someone with a compromised immunity ie. disabled/elderly/ill person sick" and every time I have said that they have retracted their comment and admitted that their original comment didn't really make sense... Whereas I have found that every anti-vax person that I have talked to about the subject is 'right' even when they're really not, refusing to ever admit that there is no genuine basis for some of their reasonings.
11-10-2012 18:41 #20
But if someone chooses not to vax they have usually done their own research that makes them comfortable with their choices and perhaps are attacked for their choices and feel the need to defend themselves or educate others because THEY believe its better not to vax.. and likewise some people are very passionately provax and also cannot be reasoned with or budged on their beliefs... I just don't see the difference...
By Fuchsia! in forum General ChatReplies: 39Last Post: 11-10-2012, 12:18
By Ffrenchknickers in forum General ChatReplies: 59Last Post: 17-07-2012, 10:32
By OS&N in forum General ChatReplies: 10Last Post: 15-04-2012, 08:47
TribalanceTriBalance is a physio, yoga & pilates studio in Brisbane's inner north, offering specialised women's health ...
LATESTWhy it is OK for your child to be differentWhat is a blessing way? How is it different to a baby shower?7 ways to break the ‘mumnotony’ at home
POPULARWhen can I start giving chores to my children?New baby nursery checklist – a guide to newborn essentialsWhat to pack for labour and hospital – a checklist
FORUMS - chatting now ...
Bbt chart thread #8Conception & Fertility General Chat
Albert?Choosing Baby Names
Miracle March TTC and Testing ChatConception & Fertility General Chat
Falling pregnant a few months after giving birthGeneral Chat
Inheritance WWYDGeneral Chat
ongoing chat threadGeneral Chat
I am... #20General Chat
Egg Donation in Greece #5Egg Donation
Do u take it personally? Kids friends..General Parenting Tips, Advice & Chat