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    I read the title as saying there is no reason why you have to, not that you shouldnt. It means to me that birth is safe at home. Not sure if your talking about my post but I wasn't dissing hospital births, I was simply summing up what the study showed using a well known quote. If your familiar with Sarah J Buckleys work you'll understand the reference to intervention is also linked to the fight or flight hormone response which activates when you disturb birth ie. when you leave home.

    Women should birth where they feel safe, I 100% agree, I just don't think that women should be exposed to an increase in intervention which doesnt change outcomes* just because they choose a certain location.

    ETA. Actually imo it does change outcomes as I said in my post #16.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soccer mum View Post
    The initial article is very interesting and thanks to the poster for posting it, but hey, look at the title of the thread - its basically saying you shouldnt go to a hospital to give birth.
    Whilst I agree that a couple of people can be scornful of people who don't birth their way and who imply that they have superior knowledge or are more in touch with their bodies, but in fairness to the op, she was just quoting the name of the article

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    It's a provocative title - that's media for you. Meant to turn heads. But I don't read it as an attack on hospy births - just that the act of birth is not a reason, in itself, to go to hospital.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialPatrolGroup View Post
    Whilst I agree that a couple of people can be scornful of people who don't birth their way and who imply that they have superior knowledge or are more in touch with their bodies, but in fairness to the op, she was just quoting the name of the article
    Yes sorry OP I managed to read the article without seeing that that was the name of the title.

    With regards to the fight or flight response hormone, what if I feel safer in a hospital though, wouldnt going there reduce my fight or flight response? For some people who are more comfortable at home then obviously its better if they stay there but surely its not the case for everybody?

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    Quote Originally Posted by soccer mum View Post
    Yes sorry OP I managed to read the article without seeing that that was the name of the title.

    With regards to the fight or flight response hormone, what if I feel safer in a hospital though, wouldnt going there reduce my fight or flight response? For some people who are more comfortable at home then obviously its better if they stay there but surely its not the case for everybody?
    http://www.wonderfulbirth.com/Servic...s.asp?Ref=2315 here is the article

    I think this is one reason some women nest in their hospital bags late in pregnancy, you know packing and unpacking Gotta feel safe

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    Absolutely soccer mum and that's exactly what birth choices are about. You birth where you feel safe, comfortable and supported!

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    Quote Originally Posted by soccer mum View Post
    Yes sorry OP I managed to read the article without seeing that that was the name of the title.

    With regards to the fight or flight response hormone, what if I feel safer in a hospital though, wouldnt going there reduce my fight or flight response? For some people who are more comfortable at home then obviously its better if they stay there but surely its not the case for everybody?
    Sorry was just washing the dishes and wanted to come back to say I think there is more to it that I want to say, just can't post it right now as I'm in the middle of dinner/bath/bed routine I'll BBL

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    Quote Originally Posted by BornToBe View Post
    Absolutely soccer mum and that's exactly what birth choices are about. You birth where you feel safe, comfortable and supported!
    Sorry if I misinterprepted your post as well. It read to me as 'if you go to hospital its taking a step towards intervention' which I didnt think was necessarily true at all.

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    Nah, that wasn't my post anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soccer mum View Post
    unfortunately I have had several negative comments from homebirthers about choosing to birth in a hospital. Some implying I'm ignorant, etc, although they didnt necessarily mean to insult, I find the way they dismissed my decision as condescending. And the second (I think) post in this thread was basically dissing hospital births. And I have been attacked on this forum in the past. So although I dont think its the majority, I do feel as if some homebirthers want to deny everyone the right to a hospital birth just because they dont agree with it.

    The initial article is very interesting and thanks to the poster for posting it, but hey, look at the title of the thread - its basically saying you shouldnt go to a hospital to give birth.
    The same is true of women who are staunchly pro-hospital though and will condemn mothers who choose to homebirth as irrational, irresponsible and selfish.

    Plenty of people are jerks, no matter what their birth preference is.

    It's homebirth that's currently under threat though, so it saddens me when a thread that is a bit of a "win" for the very small number of us who deserpately want to birth at home, is being turned into a, "Well some homebirthers are b*tches, blah blah blah..." because that's honestly got little to do with anything the report is about. It's about declaring that homebirth is a reasonable option for those who are not high-risk... and that's a GREAT thing, because although it;s pretty much common knowledge amongst homebirthers, it's great that something like this being shared with the general public who can often be very critical of the choice to have a baby at home.

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