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**Pegasus** · 01-09-2012 00:03

I'm pretty sure no one is ok with deadbeat fathers who pay nothing or minimum.

Paying for bills won't work, just look at the arguements here as to what's an essential. Some say internet is, some say it isn't.

The interesting thing about the way the current system is that it was based on the research which showed people with lower incomes spent more on their children proportionally. So that makes the sum of working out why is the cost of raising a child difficult too.

I try to feed my family on about $10-$20 a day, and only buy 2 school shorts(washing every second day) a year rather than 5(one a day) which changes costs for me against what newspapers publish at the beginning of every school year (for instance)

**delirium** · 01-09-2012 13:12

Originally Posted by Blue Dragon

Heres a hypothetical as to why i disagree on basing it on wages earned.

parent A has children 5 days a week, works fulltime and earns 85k
Parent A also pays for everything child related.

Parent B has the children 2 days a week, chooses not to work at all so earns $0 Parent B deadset refuses to help pay for anything.

Parent B goes to CSA and puts in a claim and because parent A earns more they have to pay parent B $250 a week.

How is that fair ?? Parent A has to pay Parent B even though Parent A is already covering all of the childrens costs and has majority of care.
Parent B gets away with it because its based on wages, CSA don't care who pays for what just what number the computer spits out at them.

You are right, that is unfair. As you say, parent A is already paying for everything, but has to pay CS to the parent who only has 2 days a week. In this case the minimum rate I suggested of $40 a week would help. Being the 5 day a week carer, parent A would be credited that amount off that they are paying parent B. Is that example a real one? I can't understand a parent that has their child only 2 days a week getting so much CS. Especially when 85k is decent but not a huge wage.... and a parent who has their kids 2 days a week and has the other parent paying for everything, doesn't pay them CS, yet claims $250 a week for essentially nothing... that's pretty rough

It's a complex system, thus why I started the thread.

**faroutbrusselsprout** · 01-09-2012 13:21

That isn't a real case. There's no way those figures are even close to correct. Just going by what we pay and owe and the % we have SS and the % FOB has DS (never.)

**faroutbrusselsprout** · 01-09-2012 13:44

When does CS end? Is it just automatically when the child is 18? Or if the child starts working before 18?
What obligation should the bio parent have after CS has officially stopped??

**Ellewood** · 01-09-2012 13:50

Certainly a much harsher penalties for those who don't pay their CS.

And a better system for detecting fraud - this may be an ATO issue).

ExDP and I have a private agreement which were both fine with and he always pays on time and has occasionally helped out outside of CS when I've needed it. People tell me I'm 'lucky' he's so 'good' regarding these things - that only tells me how bad off many others have it!

**Blue Dragon** · 01-09-2012 14:05

Originally Posted by delirium

You are right, that is unfair. As you say, parent A is already paying for everything, but has to pay CS to the parent who only has 2 days a week. In this case the minimum rate I suggested of $40 a week would help. Being the 5 day a week carer, parent A would be credited that amount off that they are paying parent B. Is that example a real one? I can't understand a parent that has their child only 2 days a week getting so much CS. Especially when 85k is decent but not a huge wage.... and a parent who has their kids 2 days a week and has the other parent paying for everything, doesn't pay them CS, yet claims $250 a week for essentially nothing... that's pretty rough

It's a complex system, thus why I started the thread.

This was us a few years ago.
Deleted the rest for privacy reasons.

**faroutbrusselsprout** · 01-09-2012 14:06

Wow.... Full on. I hope that can't happen again?!

**Blue Dragon** · 01-09-2012 14:07

Originally Posted by faroutbrusselsprout

That isn't a real case. There's no way those figures are even close to correct. Just going by what we pay and owe and the % we have SS and the % FOB has DS (never.)

Its not just one kid, its 3.

**faroutbrusselsprout** · 01-09-2012 14:09

Originally Posted by Blue Dragon

Its not just one kid, its 3.

Yep. Sorry. I didn't realise.

**Blue Dragon** · 01-09-2012 14:14

....Thats ok FOBS.

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