So I'm only on my phone but this is the definition of corporal punishment that came up when I searched (will look further into it when kids are in bed and I'm on the computer)
No flogging or beating in this house
From wiki - "any punishment in which physical force is used and intended to cause some degree of pain or discomfort, however light."
I don't intend to cause pain or discomfort and rarely do. 2yo usually laughs at me when I do smack his bum but yet will respond when given the choice between a smack or doing as he's asked.
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18-06-2012 17:08 #131
Last edited by HugsBunny; 18-06-2012 at 17:13.
18-06-2012 17:14 #132
The relevant devotion is the one they use in this paper, not the general definition. There is further refinement in the opening statement that there is no reasonableness test.
When you drill into the detail in each country you will see they have more detailed definitions around what is illegal. We can debate it all day whether what you think you do crosses the line or not.
And at the end of the day what you intend isn't actual relevant.
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18-06-2012 17:19 #133
18-06-2012 17:21 #134
18-06-2012 17:23 #135
I think in some cases, smacking can be abusive... but to say all smacking is abuse is nonsense IMO. If that were the case, many of us would the be the children of abusers and would feel like victims of abuse.
I can say that my parents certainly made mistakes and did things I wouldn't, but I would never, ever consider them to be abusers for smacking me. It never felt like abuse.
The one time it came close was when I was smacked with a belt. It happened once. I suspect my mother felt uncomfortable with it and told my father "never again," and that was it. That was a once-off incident never to be repeated, and THAT was possibly abusive... but their general smacking was not. I never feared it as you would fear abuse... I was never terrified. I feared it in the same way I feared not being able to watch TV or having to go to bed early.
ETA - just clarifying that I'm not really a smacker either. I haven't smacked in years, and even when I did, it was something I rarely did, so this is not from the viewpoint of someone who is defending their own smacking.
Last edited by SassyMummy; 18-06-2012 at 17:27.
18-06-2012 17:24 #136
Corporal, from corporalis, meaning of the body.
Punishment, from Punire, meaning To inflict a penalty on.
Seems self-explanatory to me that smacking as a disciplinary act is, by definition at least, corporal punishment.
18-06-2012 17:25 #137
People don't post to have their opinions verified or validated all the time.
There really is no need to be so aggressive you know.
Just saw your edit - what exactly did you think I meant when I said thanks for the link, I'll check it out when the kids are in bed? Does that sound like someone who 'isn't interested' in reading about it further????
For the record, you're being rude and there is no need at all.
Last edited by HugsBunny; 18-06-2012 at 17:27.
18-06-2012 17:30 #138
Sassy I tend to agree but the whole point of the international movement is that many reasonable and kind parents smack and probably don't harm, but there are a lot that do a lot of harm, and given the wealth of other ways to discipline children, just remove this one altogether. I think you can harm children in desperately awful ways through verbal abuse or neglect as well. Parenting is bl00dy hard, no one said it is easy. I find this one of the hardest aspects of the job.
18-06-2012 17:31 #139
I can't remember how to quote of my phone, but of you don't intend to cause pain or discomfort then why would you bother smacking?
18-06-2012 17:33 #140
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