The doctors who have the skills and the patient who is suffering get to decide. It shouldn't concern the rest of us. And I actually find your last part quite offensive.The question of who's too ill to be given the ok? Incidentally there are Terminally ill people who do miraculously recover from these illnesses at times too. So who decides? And when do they decide? And the corruption of greedy beneficiaries of estates etc?
Well, I don't agree with you. You don't get to decide what is 'best for non-believers', I find that quite... I don't know, superior, arrogant maybe.For all those reasons it's best not an option for non-believers I think. Care for the sick and dying and you will show great example to your children who will in turn be happy to show that to you. The lack of respect and love for the elderly in western societies is sad.
I agree that the lack of love and respect for the elderly is sadly lacking but we are talking about the terminally ill here, not offing old people.
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28-05-2012 19:06 #213
I think you can live a good and wholesome life, without it necessarily being a long one. If a long life is important to god, there wouldnt be neonatal/infant/child deaths, no?
Not having a go at you, i just like philosophical debates and like to get to the nitty gritty of why people believe what they do
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28-05-2012 19:11 #216Guest Guest
This is not a decision between the person and their dr. It's just not. The family/spouse/parent need to live with this well after the person is gone. There isn't anything to say this will affect someone emotionally/psychologically for a long time after. So if someone makes the choice to die, the person who was against this is left behind to deal with it. So it's not just up to the individual. I'd like to think my dh or my children's spouses take me into consideration in this, I know I would if I was looking at euthanasia for myself.
So whether you think strangers are stopping you from euthanising a loved one, they are considering their own lives and family and it's not a topic that's taken lightly. Like I'm against it but your body your choice. No, it doesn't work like that when it affects everyone around that person.
Helping someone die is a big deal that requires a lot of discussion.
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28-05-2012 19:31 #217Senior Member
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I don't think religion should come into it. We are talking about legalizing it for people to make a choice. If religious people choose to die a slow and painful death because it's in gods plan then they absolutely have that right and I respect their beliefs. But then non religious people should also have the choice to do things their way!!
28-05-2012 19:36 #218
I believe that family is a huge factor in making our decisions, but family wanting to have a family member linger because they are not ready to say goodbye is not a great reason. My dad died from cancer, he suffered terribly but thatnkfully his suffering was comparatively brief, but I would never have been ready to let him go, but I couldn't have sat by and seen him suffer, vomiting faecal matter, in terrible pain. He died naturally, but I am still left behind with all the sadness of having seen him suffer, and it would have been selfish of me to ask him to suffer any longer just because I wasn't ready.
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28-05-2012 19:48 #219
Just re posting some of the guidlines from the Netherlands - I assume if something was gong to be introduced and passed in Australia - it would have similar guidlelines...it would become a 'law'
The law allows medical review board to suspend prosecution of doctors who performed euthanasia when each of the following conditions is fulfilled:
--- the patient's suffering is unbearable with no prospect of improvement
--- the patient's request for euthanasia must be voluntary and persist over time
--- (the request cannot be granted when under the influence of others, psychological illness or drugs)
--- the patient must be fully aware of his/her condition, prospects and options
there must be consultation with at least one other independent doctor who needs to confirm the conditions mentioned above
--- the death must be carried out in a medically appropriate fashion by the doctor or patient, in which case the doctor must be present
--- the patient is at least 12 years old (patients between 12 and 16 years of age require the consent of their parents)
I see this as compassion and respect for another human beings life.
PLease don't tell me a 'loving god' has 'plan' that involves making people suffer truly horrendous diseases..and the benefit of that is so the person next to them can 'grow spiritually'
...before I bite massive indents in my tongue I will say one thing on that subject.
-sounds like torture to me.
DPs cousin is fighting for her life at this very moment - 5 years ago she was told she had 6months to live, she has fought hard, bluddy hard, she is down one lung, parts of her shoulder are gone, the bone from her leg is holding her pelvis together and now they have found tumors in her brain..she is slaying those dragons day in day out - I can not EVER imagine her giving up, she is surrounded by family and by a team of doctors that think she is the most inspirational woman they know.
I cheer for her everyday.
..but, you know what -- had someone else been dealt the same blow as her and decided to call it quits 12 months ago, I would give them just as much respect.
Euthanasia is basically 'assisted suicide' for when it gets to that point, I have experienced first hand what an unassisted attempted and 'successful' suicide was like.... It's not something I would recommend.
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28-05-2012 20:01 #220Senior Member
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Does anyone remember the man ( I think he was living in the UK) who went to a Swiss clinic had his euthanasia/assisted suicide filmed?
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