You ARE gauranteed a ticket....in fact you're already on the train (spiritually). And no you would not have done different things and here's why....because you are the child of the most high God. Your desires are his desires...you don't WANT to do those things NOT because you don't want to go to hell but because of WHO you are in Christ. That's not to say you won't do them anyway...as Paul said in Romans 7, he did what he didn't want to do. He was in anguish because he continually sinned even though he didn't want to....but later said that he is redeemed anyway and that his spirit waits to wit the redemption of his body (the body that continually does what he doesn't want to do because it's full of sin).
ALL sin and fall short of the glory of God....so if one was hoping to get to heaven by being 'good' then good luck with that, because you will never ever be GOOD. The old testament is full of people trying to be 'good'. It was the ones who looked forward to the cross that managed to remain faithful through all their mistakes etc. We are to look back to the cross because it is Christ who is the sinless one...Christ is the obedient one...Christ who is the worthy one - NOT US....never us! It's not about us....it's never about us and our worthiness and our ability to save ourselves and keep ourselves saved...it's about Christ and our faith that he HAS saved us and he WILL keep us saved. He promised he will not lose what God has given Him. So if sin is what's going to keep us from eternal life - then Christ is a liar. Which is lucky cos my body is riddled with it...that's why I age and I get sick and I die etc
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27-05-2012 13:55 #81
27-05-2012 14:16 #82
We have all sinned I have two kids n I'm not married. Can I just ask what about a pedophile priest who has ruined lives and made life a living hell for some if he asked forgiveness would he b allowed into heaven ?
Being good to me is knowing right from wrong and not doing things that will seriously harm others. The odd drink, sex b4 marriage and homosexuality is not IMO sinning.
Killing, raping and making profit of the sadness/loss of others are some examples of genuine sinning.
27-05-2012 14:24 #83
It's the feast of Pentecost and all this talk if the Holy Spirit is heart warming
Just to jump in - I don't believe God will simply accept anyone who rocks up to the pearly gates and says "oh so you're God, now I believe and I'm sorry i didn't before, so I would like to enter". I think it's more about how that person lived their lives here on earth. If they deliberately went out to cause evil and ridicule God, perhaps they won't be accepted, however as a few ppl have mentioned, it's only God who will be the final judge and this is all speculation. I don't believe all atheists therefore will go to hell, wherever that is and in whatever form that comes. (I don't really put too much emphasis on hell... I'm more keen on just getting to heaven!).
Knowing God just gives us an advantage to live meaningful lives and try to follow in Jesus' footsteps.. which will ultimately lead to our glorious heavenly reward.
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27-05-2012 14:26 #84
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Romans 1:27-32 NLT
And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.
Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless, and have no mercy. They know God’s justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too.
In this scripture it says that people who practise these things will Die.
Can you please explain why you dont think that homosexuality, sex before marriage etc are not sins?
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27-05-2012 14:34 #86
You know, I think that's bull. I was raised a catholic, went to catholic school, and from my interpretation, god forgives all sins.
There are plenty of horrible things in the bible that god did.
27-05-2012 14:37 #87
27-05-2012 14:39 #88
No I don't think having sex b4 marriage or having sex with a consenting adult of the same sex is sinning why because it's not hurting anyone.
Sex with a child on the other hand or raping someone is clearly a sin yet for some reason a lot of priests(people spreading the word of god) seem to get away with it and it's swept under the rug then the church moves them to another parish to continue sinning. That to me is one of the biggest sins. Along with selling drugs, stealing because of greed and not need and in general hurting others or making others suffer because of ones own wants.
27-05-2012 14:39 #89
27-05-2012 14:43 #90
This website may interest you re your questions about homosexuality. It's a website made by Christians, interpreting the bible from the original languages and not the butchered versions that are around today
And for what it's worth, I am gay and I don't like being called a sinner. How would u feel if someone told you that the way you were born is a sin?
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