There's no questioning of your beliefs on my behalf, you believe what you believe and that's totally ok. But within this thread a member continues to tell other christians nope your wrong. My point was that you can still be christian and believe different things.
I know this is a thread about your own personal beliefs, thus why I haven't posted until now. But based on that atheists shouldn't even factor into the discussion. I understand it's a contentious issue here, but if you don't want debate then stick to your own beliefs and don't guess what atheists think.
I hope that didn't come across too forceful, I have kids yelling and running around in the background and it's hard to keep my mind on task lol
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27-05-2012 11:52 #61
27-05-2012 12:00 #62Senior Member
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I have backed up my belief (as the original post asked) by quoting scripture disproving this theory from the bibles point of view (which I believe to be truthful)
As for me bringing up atheists, I think that you are just trying to stir because what I gave were examples, examples that I personally have experienced, not only on bh but in real life circumstances.
I am not the judge of your soul, let alone anyone else's. God is. Im simply paraphrasing what I have learned from the Word of God.
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27-05-2012 12:08 #63Senior Member
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Revelation 14:11 NLT
The smoke of their torment will rise forever and ever, and they will have no relief day or night, for they have worshiped the beast and his statue and have accepted the mark of his name.”
To me, this means forever torment.
Other versions use the words no rest day or night for ever and ever
Matthew 13:40-43 NLT
“Just as the weeds are sorted out and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the world. The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will remove from his Kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. And the angels will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in their Father’s Kingdom. Anyone with ears to hear should listen and understand!
This to me is physical torture.
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27-05-2012 12:19 #64Guest Guest
We're discussing hell, what it is and why someone would or wouldn't go. Not believing in God is very relevant so we can't not mention atheism in the discussion as atheists don't believe in God or Jesus. If you believe in the possibility of God isn't that Agnostic like someone posted by definition?
As a believer in God and souls I must question what happens to those who don't believe, I won't be told by someone not to think about this, it's part of my learning and understanding of heaven, hell and God.
I don't think anyone was telling someone they're wrong. If pp believes in pits of fire then that's her belief, if she believes it's where I'm going then that's her belief. I won't tell her she's wrong.
We all believe what we do and someone not believing in God doesn't mean God doesn't exist for me. And telling me I'm going to pits of fire doesn't mean I am.
The discussion was going pretty good imo. And you can discuss it with us, but being atheist I thought that means there is no God therefore no hell or Jesus. So what's there to add? I think all those exist and I'd like to hear people's points of view on what it is and what would make God reject a person to heaven?
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27-05-2012 12:22 #65
27-05-2012 12:27 #66
And if I'm wrong the Holy Spirit will bring it to my attention and correct me and I'm fine with that. He's done it before and he'll do it again...meanwhile I'll just keep loving Him and putting all my faith in HIM rather than man or the bible or anything else. Jesus is the author and the finisher of my faith and it is in HIM that I put my trust and HIM alone!
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27-05-2012 12:35 #67Guest Guest
Thanks for the discussion so far ladies. But I'll leave it at that for now.
I'm not getting into another full throttle argument and once again getting shut down and told I'm wrong. I don't have the energy.
I don't believe I put atheism down in this thread or ever unlike others who put Christians down, tease and snort at their beliefs, constantly. There is a difference. I think you just want to stir trouble and so choose not to see that.
27-05-2012 12:39 #68
27-05-2012 12:40 #69
Lily - Just ignore and continue on honey!
27-05-2012 12:49 #70
I'd forgotten how harsh those scriptures can be .. yowsers!!! One thing I do know for sure is my God has never once mentioned to me pits of hell or living in torture for all time. If God is all LOVE how can He possibly do anything but do act and speak of love?
I can't remember who wrote it (sorry I'm on my phone) but I agree if you rock up at the gates (btw I don't believe in those pearly gates either) and say Wow I didn't think you existed but hey you do and I'd love to get to know you, God will embrace that person and let them right on in. I'd be willing to wager ANYTHING on that ;-)
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