The word purgatory is not specifically mentioned in the Bible but there is reference to praying for the dead (which would defeat the purpose if you went straight up or down after you died IYKWIM).
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25-05-2012 22:42 #11
25-05-2012 22:52 #12Senior Member
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Romans 6:23 -" The wages sin pays is death"
Romans 6:7 - "For he who has died has been acquitted from [his] sin."
Those scriptures do not teach that the wicked will be literally punished forever, but that eternal death is their punishment - the opposite of everlasting life, if they have been aqquited from their sin as the scriptures say, why would God then turn around and punish them forever? Death is the price they pay
The bible uses fire a number of times as a symbol of eternal destruction. It doesnt teach of a literal place of eternal torment. When something is burned in fire, nothing is left, nothing is salvageable. Its used as an illustration of the second death from which there is no resurrection.
The bible also says in a number of scriptures that death is a deep sleep where u are not conscious....Eccl. 9:5, 10: “The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all"
Ps. 146:4: “His spirit goes out (life force), he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts do perish.”
So in order for that to make any sense the eternal fire has to be symbolic.
That also makes sense of Revelation 20:14- "And death and Hades were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire"
- Obviously death and the grave cannot be literally burned so clearly showing they will be destroyed forever (as if burned up by fire)
Do you really think a God of love would burn people alive forever? He detested the Israelites when they threw their own children into fire to false Gods, he said it was something that would never come up into his heart (Jeremiah 32:35, Deuteronomy 12:29) What would you think of a parent who held his childs hand over a flame as punishment, even for a second?
I dont believe the bible teaches that all good people go to heaven either. In fact it says that good king David (who had Gods approval) didnt ascend to the heavens (Acts 2:34) and that no man had ascended to heaven before Christ died for us (John 3:13) and many good faithful men and women lived before christ came to earth.
The bible says that eventually the "meek will posses the earth and live forever on it" (Psalms 37:9,11,29, Matthew 5:5, 2 Peter 3:13) and thats Gods kingdom is a government (kingdom means 'government' or 'rulership') that will rule over the earth and remove all human rulership which time has shown to be a failure (Daniel 2:44). A select few will " Rule as kings and priests with christ" in heaven to help form this 'government'(Revelation 20:6) but 'a great crowd" will live on a cleansed paradise earth free from all the problems we now face (Gods original purpose) and until the resurrection that the dead are simply sleeping and in Gods memory
Last edited by ShanandBoc; 25-05-2012 at 23:11.
25-05-2012 22:54 #13
I strongly believe that you don't necessarily have to be a believer in christianity to go to heaven, especially in the case of people who have had no exposure to it at all...our forgiving God will take accept them through the pearly gates I'm sure if they have been good people.
I feel some of us do our Purgatory here on earth before we die...
All bibles don't have those references about praying for the dead, as the catholic bible does... Books such as Maccabees.
25-05-2012 23:03 #14Senior Member
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Didn't the Catholic Church get rid of Hell?
I do not believe in fire and the typical images of hell. I think it is different to each individual soul just as I think heaven is different to each person.
26-05-2012 00:06 #15
I really don't have any idea if it does or doesn't exist but i remember someone saying that when you die you experience first hand all the bad you committed in earth so in that way, it is like hell. For example, if you were a murderer, you would suffer alot more because you would have to feel the pain of those that suffered at your hands. Just a thought...
26-05-2012 00:12 #16
I believe in hell. Hell is a place where there is no longer any access to God and the people who go there want to be there because they don't want to be with God. There's no point getting into heaven if u don't love God because that's the place for being with God and worshipping him. Yes there is judgement and it will be fair.
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26-05-2012 10:29 #20
No, I don't. Well not the concept of hell traditionally presented.
I believe in a state of pain, guilt and anguish where people can progress from through repentance.
I believe in perdition for the truly evil, those who don't progress from the state I previously mentioned. I have that much faith in man that I can't imagine it applying to anyone.
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