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24-05-2012 10:57 #41
24-05-2012 10:58 #42
That is creepy and weird and I don't care what religious spin you put on it.
I know 2 women who went and had an operation so they could bleed for their husbands. And yes here in Australia.
Funny how a mans penis is never inspected.
The whole s.lut vs virgin mentality is weird...to me.
24-05-2012 11:02 #43
I agree with some PPs:
1. It's objectifying (and insulting) women to refer to it as a gift. Giving the boys something to brag about down at the pub.
2. Your first time on your wedding night? No thanks.
It takes a little practice for it to be any good, I think these people who wait for marriage have no idea. They just think it's going to be wonderful and magical from day one. How disappointing lol.
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24-05-2012 11:03 #44
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Erm.. I kind of viewed it this way. Not in the 'prize' sense, but in the 'this is something really important to me, and you are the person that I have decided to trust enough and love enough for it to happen' way.
I didn't wait until I was married, and I'm not still with that 'first' person, but it doesn't make it any the less to me.
To me the first time with any partner is a bit like that, as personally I have only ever wanted to do that when I've been in love with someone. So it's pretty special to me.
I see it in the same sort of way, as recently I let DH read some of my diary that I wrote aged 13. No one has ever ever read it, and I cringe horribly to read it. To me that was a 'gift' in a way, as it said "I love you so much that I am letting you in to the most special and personal thing that I can."
Not sure if any of that even makes sense?
24-05-2012 11:08 #46
I also don't see it as such a big deal in society anymore and as the years go by it's even less so. I also don't see it as only a female issue, men can be virgins too and it can be just as important to them.
I can see how SOME men would see it as a commodity or a 'prize' which is why something like virginity should be private and not exactly something one should want to advertise....even if you're not a virgin - I don't believe having sex or not having sex should be anybody elses business but yours.
And I HATE how some people's virginity has been taken against their will - it makes me sick that they didn't even have the choice to give it to anybody of their choosing...if they call it a 'gift' or not.
I have a question though. They call it 'virginity' which obviously comse from the word 'vagina'...so why do we call men virgins too? Shouldn't they be called Penisity?
24-05-2012 11:10 #47
The obsession with it in pron, like its a prize that all men salivate over, irritates me.
But I agree that it means different things to different people, and women should have total control over their bodies. I understand people choosing to wait, and mourning when that choice is taken from them. I completely understand it being meaningful on an individual level.
Its the objectifying of virgins like they are a big homogenous group of innocents waiting to give a man pleasure that bugs me. (So pretty much just the pronified view of it.)
24-05-2012 11:12 #48
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