We have been trying for nearly 2.5 years. After 12 months of trying our GP recommended IVF Australia. My DH and I had unexplained infertility at this time i was 31 and he was 32. We did our first IUI and got a BFN. We went straight into IVF 15 eggs extracted, 10 fertilised and 4 made it to 5 day blasts. The fresh transfer failed, the first FET was a chem BFP failed after 4 days. The 2nd FET both final froz embs died before transfer.
For the next fresh round of IVF we decided to go to the 'most advanced' fertility
specialist with Genea CBD. My DH and I have also significantly improved our health between the two cycles I.e. Stopped smoking, exercised and ate organic products. We went to see one of the best Dr's at Genea knowing that even though they are more expensive having the best FS, clinic and doing acupuncture should guarantee our first succesful BFP. The FS was fantastic explained the process better and how there shouldn't be problems. The clinic was much more professional so the
experience was much more pleasant.
We managed to get 17 eggs (3 were seen to be bad and immediately destroyed) so 14 in total. On day 1 after extraction the embryologists said only 4 fertilized. We
couldn't believe this round could be worse than the previous. The 5 days leading to
the transfer was very stressful much more than our experience with IVF Australia.
Day 3 we still had 4 embryos but by day 5 only 1 made it that was of day 4 quality I.e. hadn't reached blast stage. The other 3 had not grown but we requested to transfer 2 embs so one of the bad embs and the better quality emb was transferred. The day of preg test AF arrived with no frozens to coninue with. All this doesn't make sense to me. We have a follow up appointment with FS in 3 weeks since he is away.
I feel so devastated and confused..I hate to change clinics again especially since Genea is meant to be the "world leaders" I don't have the strength for more failures. Everyone around me is pregnant or has had babies We can't take it anymore especially since my DH and I don't have some of the problems that causes infertility. Does anyone have any thoughts that can help? Should we stick it out with Genea and give it another go? Please help...
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17-05-2012 12:31 #1
IVF Australia vs Genea experience - please help
Last edited by Rachael3; 07-01-2013 at 18:07.
17-05-2012 12:40 #2Senior Member
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Firstly, I really feel for you and all they you've both been through.
I am a patient of Genea CBD and have no experience with the other clinic. Like you, I had great support throughout my cycle and beyond. I was fortunate to have 3 embies from 6 retrieved. And no OHSS at all.
Unfortunately, even with the best doctor, nurses, embryologists and facilities, nothing in IVF is 100%. 50% is your best number. We were told at the start that most couples should look at 2/3 cycles not just 1 at a centre. People respond differently to regimens as well. There's often no way of predicting either.
Hope this helps. Just my thoughts. Whatever you decide, best of luck with it.
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17-05-2012 16:16 #3Senior Member
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Hey there, so sorry that your cycle was not successful. I have cycled at 2 clinics, one outside of Australia and the other is Genea. Genea have been wonderful, I have not had a transfer as we have had a planned freeze on 2 cycles, so I don't know what my results will be.
But if I compared the two clinics that we have been to, for sure Genea wins hands down. I think when you change clinics (or at least this is what I have found) the new FS does things their own way, which doesn't mean it is wrong, just when you have done it before it is frustrating.
My 2 cycles, I got half the number of eggs I usually would get, but more fertilised and were a lot better quality.
You could ask for ICSI if you aren't using it already. I also took DHEA for 3 months, I am 36 though, but had 3 failed cycles due to quality last year. To DHEA where I have 4, chromosomally normal, hatching blasts. Quite amazing.
If you do do Genea, I can vouch for the culture trial, we had a really good cycle when we chose the new culture.
Good luck xo
17-05-2012 16:20 #4
Thanks so much for your reply romaverona.
Based on the two cycles it seems that IVF Australia is able to achieve a better result with their methods or this round was just bad luck with Genea. Now that I look back can't believe we had 4 blasts then, when with this round we thought there won't be even a transfer.
Last edited by Rachael3; 07-01-2013 at 18:09.
17-05-2012 16:26 #5
Thanks Scarlet, we considered doing the culture trial but opted out because this was our first time with Genea. Great to hear your feedback on it.
We have never had ICSI done and wonder if it's needed after achieving the result we did in our first cycle, I will ask our FS about it. Also read a bit about DHEA today so will ask him about that as well. Wish he wasn't away have so many questions. Did you use ICSI with the new culture trial? Also why are you doing a planned freeze, never heard of this...does your FS think it will work better because you recover better from the extraction or was it bad timing to do a fresh cycle?
Last edited by Rachael3; 17-05-2012 at 16:35.
17-05-2012 16:38 #6Senior Member
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My embryos get biopsied as we are doing PGD to test their chromosomes.
The first cycle, I opted out of the trial also, that cycle I had 7 eggs, 6 mature, 6 fertilised and only 1 made it to day 6 for biopsy (they have to get to hatching blast)
The second cycle, 5 eggs, 5 mature, 4 fertilised and 3 made it to day 6 hatching blast- this is the one we did the trial on.
All 4, that made it to hatching blast were chromosomally normal.
I am doing FET this month, fingers crossed.
Last year I had 3 cycles with a different clinic and my first cycle I had zero fertilisation, so after that we have always used ICSI. The 2 cycles with Genea, we had to use ICSI cause we were doing the testing.
I would trust Genea's embryologists, they are awesome.
17-05-2012 16:44 #7Senior Member
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I just wanted to add one more thing, hope this comes accross the right way, but I think that Genea are really picky on their selection criteria and what they put back/what they classify a good embryo.
You got a treansfer with the other clinic, but it didn't turn out favourably, you did not get a transfer with Genea, but the result is the same. I know for a fact that they have a really good knowledge of which embryos will make a baby or not.
For me, it was REALLY hard to get over the less eggs and less stims meds, but my FS is slow and steady and it was nerve racking, let me tell you, but at the same time, the result was better, even though I got less numbers etc...
I would do Genea again, but I would definately get a different plan of attack/some answers.
18-05-2012 06:53 #8Senior Member
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I went through ivf Australia in kogarah although my EPU and transfer was done at maroubra. My personal experience with them was excellent. I think along with genea they are the leaders in ivf technology. As someone else mentioned even with the best technology it's only a 40% chance of success each time and everybody will respond differently to the treatment cycle. I think u should stick to who u are with now as they will have your history and just because u change clinics doesn't increase your chances of success.
Maybe try some alternative therapies with your ivf like acupuncture. The drs and nurses can probably give u some other ideas or advice.
Good luck on your journey hopefully your bfp is just around the corner.
18-05-2012 08:06 #9
Like a lot of us I never thought we would still be here trying to make these decisions. Last year it was hard to come to terms with having to do IVF at all since I never had any problems growing up and my AF came exactly on the day every month.
I started acupuncture last year and have seen two naturopaths which have helped with diet (eating organic food) and natal/multiple vitamin tablets. So far nothing seems to work. During the 2WW I stopped using deodorant (used organic moisturizer instead) and refrained from washing my hair in case the chemicals had any effect. It's been a horrible journey especially since we have to wait another 4/5 weeks till I get my AF to go again. So far I have had no problems with the injections i.e no over stim it's more the waiting that kills.
When we changed clinics I took copies of my history from IVF Aus to Genea. It concerns me even more now that our FS will be away again for the EPU and ET
whereas this last round he was there for the EPU not the transfer (they say the EPU is the most important part) so I was fine about it. My doc is head of Genea but unfortunately he is away a lot speaking at conferences etc. just to add to the complication.
Good luck to you if your still on journey for your next BFP
Last edited by Rachael3; 18-05-2012 at 08:14.
18-05-2012 08:28 #10
I'd stick with the FS (and clinic) that you feel is explaining things best to you, and that is paying attention to your results and is adapting the subsequent cycle in a way you feel is appropriate. I hope you get answers for what happened with that last cycle.
For most people, each IVF transfer is more likely to fail than to succeed. It is an expensive and emotional form of gambling, there are no guarantees. You can ask your FS for your odds and how to improve them, but they won't reach 100%.
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