SMOKERS face a new battleground - employers say they "need not apply" for jobs.
Online advertisements calling specifically for non-smokers have sparked debate about the line between personal choice, discrimination and protecting workers' health and productivity.
If I was hiring I would prefer a non smoker..but not sure you can go this far..
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11-05-2012 08:36 #1Senior Member
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Smokers need not apply - publishing firm's job ad
11-05-2012 08:37 #2
Wow! As far as I know it's not illegal as smoking is not a protected ground.
I agree with the philosophy but don't think I'd be so vocal about it!!
11-05-2012 08:42 #3Senior Member
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I've worked with smokers for as long as I can remember. There's LOTS of smoko breaks but I can't remember them ever performing worse.
I think it's discrimination.
11-05-2012 08:48 #4
The head of the anti-discrimination commission (or whatever it is called) was quoted in a news article saying it may be discrimination.
I would prefer to hire non-smokers too, but so long as they only smoke at designated break periods, what can they do?
My work is slowly phasing out smoking. It's going to be interesting because to get to somewhere they can smoke, the smokers are going to have to drive 3kms!
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11-05-2012 08:49 #5
I think it's complete and utter discrimination. Where do you draw the line? What other things do employers decide they don't want to put up with? Drinkers please don't apply as you may take long lunches or leave early on a friday to go for drinks. People with xyz health issues please don't apply as you may need extra toilets breaks or time off. Women with children need not apply as we are not family friendly.
Where does it stop. We are a bloody nanny state. Businesses in the main get the most out of their staff, most employees are working extra hours without extra pay or time in lieu, employers generally come out better off.
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11-05-2012 08:53 #6Senior Member
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So faras I understand it's only for jobs like child care and personal trainers - and for those types of professions I heartily agree
Who wants a stinky smoker cuddling their child, and how can a fitness person train you and extol healthy living yet suck on a cigarettes?
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11-05-2012 08:55 #7
Yes I'm a smoker and I smoked when I worked. I had a couple of 5 min breaks through the day and would often sit doing paper work during my lunch break while the non smokers chatted all day then took their whole lunchbreak to go to a cafe. Smoker doesn't always equal unproductive?
What's next? parents need not apply? afterall it could be suggested having to leave early and stay home with sick kids is a drop to productivity too? Bfing mothers that spend a mins pumping need not apply? Someone in a wheel chair bc they take longer to do certain tasks? This will set a precedent, a dangerous one.
I'm having a crap day today so this has really ticked me off lol I just wish they could ban them already. Govt is making far too much money off addicted people though they provide nothing more than a phone line to ring as assistance to help us quit. We're just a guaranteed cash cow. Take all their rights away to the point of discrimination with one hand, while gladly taking all their tax money with the other
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11-05-2012 08:57 #8
I agree it's discrimination. Just don't think it's actually unlawful discrimination, at the moment anyway.
Families, children, health issues, race, etc are all official "protected grounds".
A couple of the more senior people at our work smoke though and we couldn't do without them. But they are definitely in the minority - hardly anyone I know smokes anymore. I think it will start phasing out over the next 10-20 years as people become more educated about it. And of course, stopping kids from starting and getting addicted is the main thing that will help.
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11-05-2012 09:00 #9Senior Member
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There's evidence that it's harmful babies to even be exposed to the skin/breath of smokers, as the c hemical comes through the pores etc.
I would prefer not to employ smokers. I just stopped going to my beautician as her breath makes me feel nauseous.
I would not want any of my customers (pregnant women) to be exposed to secondhand smoke in any way through my business.
11-05-2012 09:00 #10
I see where they are coming from. But if I ran a business and I had a choice between a smoker with great references, with experience etc and a choice of a non-smoker whom also had great references but less experience then the smoker I would personally go with the smoker.
I honestly wouldnt turn away a good worker purely on the fact that they smoke.
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