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    Quote Originally Posted by samsausage View Post
    Absolutely not. I do not want my child being taught fairy stories at school.
    I love fairy tales and have no problem with my child being taught fairy tales at school, some of them have some very good messages around morality and life's lessons. I guess in the same way I wouldn't have a problem with my child hearing 'fictional' bible stories, as they also have some interesting themes and ideals. But being taught as science no way!

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    Quote Originally Posted by share a book View Post
    There have been references on bh about those with religious views having a lower IQ. Right up there with children of single parents being neglected. It is hurtful to know people feel that way, so it was an attempt at light-heartedness.
    The reference isn't about it *lowering* IQ though. The studies explain that the higher IQ someone has, the less likely it is that they will believe in creationism. Likewise, similar studies have found that the higher education a person has (note: not IQ, but education), the less likely they believe in creationism.

    I've said it before and I will say it again (because it seems to get misinterpreted every single time) - this does NOT mean that people who believe in a god are stupid.
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    In my opinion:

    I think BOTH evolution and creationism should be taught in philosophical studies, not science.

    Carbon dating is a purely relative theory (so not 100% proof) and creationism is a theory from the bible.

    Neither should be taught in science.

    And as that is my OPINION I won't be back to debate it as I have better things to do

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    I feel like people are stuck on the word theory. Scientific theory is not really regular theory. Look at the theory of gravity for instance, still called a theory but I think 99.99% of people would believe it to be true.

    In humanity subjects, theories are different. There is more scope for philosophical debate. I could give an example but I get a bit sick of people accusing me a giving a lecture.

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    Until they find "the missing link" or the matter/antimatter big bang can be explained they are very different concepts to the theory of gravity.

    As for "teaching about fairy tales" -I think people who aren't Christian - miss the point that there is evidence to back up a lot of the bible stories - they are documented as events that took place.

    Until the missing link is found - some might think evolution is a fairy tale.

    Until someone can find a satisfactory way that forces evolved to have the matter/antimatter collide to cause the big bang - this could be told as a fairy tale.

    Isn't it funny how it can come down to your frame of reference?

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    By all means teach it, as long as they teach all the other religions beliefs too. Why is Christianity assumed to be right?

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    Thing is isn't creationism in it's concept pretty much the same in all religions?

    eg Muslims still believe in God - therefore God as a divine creator

    Happy to have other religions come and let us know what they believe.

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    The problem with atheists is you think if children are taught the bible they'll grow up confused, scared and stupid. It's pretty much been said by all of you in a round about way at one time or another.
    What I'd love to know is how many of YOU actually have completed a degree in something since being atheist means your smarter? So far I know plenty of religious folk including myself who have and I don't consider my IQ low at all. Having an exceptionally high IQ doesn't make a person more knowledgable in 'life' infact they can be one of the most socially inept group of people. Maybe that's why they find the concept of spirituality and faith hard to understand.
    This does not make someone with a high IQ better, posting the info on it has no relevance imo besides to put people with religion down.

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    Perhaps it is because I have had the benefit of studying evolution closer at uni, but while there may not be the 'missing link' that people seem desperate for, there is plenty of evidence of the process of evolution. Creationism, not so much.

    There is evidence of historical events mentioned in the bible, archaeology has uncovered a lot of that, but it doesn't prove the existence of a god.

    While proving the big bang is difficult, scientists are working on ways to prove it. It is absolutely impossible to prove the existence of a god AND show your work. The show your work part is the most important thing in science, so that it can be tested and retested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lily of the Nile View Post
    The problem with atheists is you think if children are taught the bible they'll grow up confused, scared and stupid. It's pretty much been said by all of you in a round about way at one time or another.
    What I'd love to know is how many of YOU actually have completed a degree in something since being atheist means your smarter? So far I know plenty of religious folk including myself who have and I don't consider my IQ low at all. Having an exceptionally high IQ doesn't make a person more knowledgable in 'life' infact they can be one of the most socially inept group of people. Maybe that's why they find the concept of spirituality and faith hard to understand.
    This does not make someone with a high IQ better, posting the info on it has no relevance imo besides to put people with religion down.
    Well for the record I have a post grad degree and 2 subjects off a masters but I don't think it's a competition and I don't think religious equals unintelligent. Likewise I don't think a degree equals intelligence, more often than not it is opportunity.
    I actually think religion is down to opportunity also, where you were born, your family and your community have a huge influence on religion.

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