I think the difference here is in fundamental belief. Atheists think that there is no such thing as hell and see that telling a child of this is child abuse and perhaps for you it is because you don't believe there is a hell.
For believers it is a very real thing, the afterlife (heaven and hell) so telling our children this truth is very natural to us. Preparation for death is a part of life for me and I will be teaching my children this and they in turn will discover this for themselves.
And yes - children do not go to hell. so I will never need to tell my children this.
And speaking of the Q & A audience. They were actually quite balanced if u note the applause for points made by each speaker. The laughs were for Dawkin's really dumb ramblings like his explanation of nothingness which is why he got ****ed off... Pell spoke way more intelligently imo.. But yes, I'm Biased!
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10-04-2012 18:42 #51
10-04-2012 18:54 #52
I'd like to hear a smart (as opposed to 'dumb' rambling) answer please.
some science jargon (as much as I love it) goes way over my head too... people studying and examining the cosmos have to deal with dimensions we struggle to fathom. matter, anti matter, black holes/ vacuums.
The terminologoy has different meaning to our own 'layman' definition - this is what Dawkins was eloquently explaining when he got rudely laughed at.
Sorry but a man who says we evolved from Neanderthals, and then asks why aren't Neanderthals around today - is clearly not 'way more intelligent'.
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10-04-2012 18:54 #53
Rocker - I'm not atheist, not religious either, but I certainly don't believe in hell, despite being raised a catholic and going to catholic school for 9 years.
I think it's a horrible concept to try and explain to children. Leave it out until they are old enough to understand a bit more. I remember having to lie to the priest when I was forced to go to confession just so I could confess something.
There was a thread on here the other day about a 3 year old who thought the crucifix was in her bed. She attended a Christian school and had learned about Easter there.
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Yeah I agree with the others.
I would have preferred it, if Dawkins had been paired with someone a little closer in the brain department.
Was dissapointing that Pell could not get some basic stuff.
I like Pell but he is hardly an intellectual.
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10-04-2012 19:27 #56
Pell never claimed to have a scientific background but Dawkins the science brain was rambling about his own subject. Anyway we disagree - so be it! Lolz
Confession is a humbling act and if you really thought about it, I'm sure there are many "sins" we all can confess, whether it be as an adult or 10 year old. We can always do better and be prayerful and thoughtful about improving ourselves. Before u all start jumping at me, yes it can be achieved by other means of course, but for Catholics we're given perfect opportunity to be reflective on out life and attempt to work towards making it better.
10-04-2012 19:28 #57
I've seen better intellectual debates on BH between FiveInTheBed and Lily of the Nile, most definitely!
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10-04-2012 19:33 #58
I'm not sure, but I do suspect the kinds of parents who use this as a threat are the kinds who would emotionally abuse their children anyway... with or without the mention of hell.
I do agree that it's unnecessary to tell a child they're going to hell - to many children, life is black and white, and what a horrible thing for them to believe when they're too little to challenge those comments. Too little know that perhaps hell doesn't even exist, that hell may not be as their parents say it is, perhaps their "sins" are not "hell-worthy," etc. If your parent says you're going there, then you are, as far as you know as a little child... and what a horrible thing for a small child to believe.
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