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10-04-2012 08:51 #21Member
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10-04-2012 08:57 #22
Emotional abuse? Absolutely.
I was constantly told as a child that I had no hope of redemption and was damned to hell from birth for being born out of wedlock. This didn't upset me as I was firm in my personal beliefs, which don't agree with this.
BUT... for a child who is more vulnerable and has been raised to believe these things, then yes it is absolutely emotional abuse.
I'm not big on threatening kids with anything like this. That includes 'the Easter bunny won't come' or 'Santa will bring you coal'... The latter not being as extreme as the threat of hell obviously... no chocolate or gifts vs. the fires of hell?
10-04-2012 09:03 #23
funny how perspective can influence your views - I'd say a number of people think the same as this, and that they were clapping as loudly as Team Pell in the Q&A audience, and there s a number of people saying Pell was 'eaten for dinner' by Dawkins, simply because they understand the mechanics of evolution and could see that Pell had no interest in grasping the concept.
Dakins has looked at many many world wide religions and compared them - I'd say that was why he was continuing to ask 'what do you mean when...' - because the "rules" seem to vary from church to church, country to country and it is a challenge to converse with someone when you don't know which 'rules' they have chosen.
Dawkins had to, more than twice point out that people who understand the evolutionary process DO NOT support a 'Darwinian society'. This common misconception took up way to much time in the discussion.
10-04-2012 09:06 #24
10-04-2012 09:42 #25-
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10-04-2012 09:43 #26
Ths is the new modern way of 'putting it nicley'.
"God loves us so much that he took the risk and gave us the very thing that might seperate us from him - the ability to choose whether to worship and love him or not.
God never forces, he gently leads. We may choose to ignore his call, but he will never deliberately punish us for our choices. We merely have to deal with their consequences."
>>What ARE those consequences??
(taken from a copy of 'Sign of the times' ....I grabbed a copy from the caravan park where we were staying. I thought a little insight wouldn't go astray.[been an interesting read so far] ...the weekend just gone, I had numerous people 'talking God' AT us.
We invited the grandparents of a little girl the kids befriended at the park down to our van for a cuppa and cake. The subject of church, lent, God blessing, having faith etc etc was brought up plenty of times. To which we just smiled and offered another piece of cake.
We took the young girl to the bike park with us, she came down to our camp quite regularly and ate with us, and our kids popped up to visit them on occassion. We ran up and warned them when we heard about the severity of the storm approaching. We called in to exchange addresses and hugged goodbye when we were leaving.
And we are a family of 'non believers' - who live a good life, with no expectation of 'getting into' an afterlife of any type.
And I hope simply by leading by example, our children will continue to recognise how to pleasantly contribute to our society without the threat of 'consequences' beyond THIS realm/reality.
..no real point to this bit of my post - except to demonstrate that I am not a satan worshipping beast that will bite the heads off of everyday people that continually talk God 'at' me. Nor do I take it upon myself to declare my beliefs to every person we meet. ..maybe I have come to the realisation that my online BH persona IS slightly different to the IRL me.)
10-04-2012 10:17 #27
I don't think it's child 'abuse', but I think it's an awful thing to say or suggest to a child.
I attended a catholic school from kindergarten to year 3. I was not a catholic, but my parents placed me at this school due to the poor reputation of the public school at the time.
Because I was not baptised a catholic (or any religion), and wouldn't be doing holy communion, I was told by teachers on a number of occasions, that God would not recognise me if I died and therefore I wouldn't be allowed into heaven. I was 'not a part of God's family'.
Hearing this as a young child upset me greatly - I used to go home and cry to my Mum about it. I was genuinely rattled by what they were telling me. Thankfully my parents had the sense to remove me from the school and I ended up attending the public school, which in reality ended up being a great school.
The way I was treated completely turned me off religion.
10-04-2012 10:26 #28
What an awful thing to say to a child
10-04-2012 12:02 #29-
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I dont think anyone, had anyone for dinner.
It was a great debate by two people with very different beliefs.
I dont think there was a winner per se.
It helped me to really work out where I stand on it all and I thank both men equally for being passionate.
10-04-2012 12:35 #30Senior Member
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I have just told DS (5) about hell. According to him, until a few weeks ago, everyone that dies went to heaven. He knows that we celebrate Easter because 'Jesus died on the cross'. A few weeks ago he asked me if the 'bad people that killed Jesus' were dead. I said yes they are - that was a long time ago. He was concerned that they were in heaven with Jesus and would do 'bad' things there. I explained there is a place called hell where 'bad' people go. He assumes 'bad' people are murderers (not that he knows the word murder'). It has not even crossed his mind that if he is 'naughty' or sins he will go to hell. It's a very simplistic view at the moment and fine for a 5 year old. What I told him is not child abuse - he thinks if you do something SO bad, that your punishment is that... he knows he will never do anything SO bad as that... does this mkae sense?
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