As for my 'so what' comment, I'm perplexed as to how, what others go through in other countries, relates to what I go through. Furthermore I fail to understand how knowing that others are worse off makes my experience any less than what it is. They are what they are. So yeh, the fact that you bring up luck in that I don't live in another country has no bearing on what we are currently discussing. So yes...so what?...what gives? How is this relevent to my abuse and my beliefs in christianity?
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11-04-2012 17:31 #111
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11-04-2012 17:34 #112Guest Guest
So please explain which countries do this and how because I don't know what you're talking about?
11-04-2012 17:42 #113
Des, I'm sorry - but you are the one that made this general discussion about YOU.
I was trying to keep it general..it's hard to talk about serious things that are happening world wide when people keep making it so personal.
I don't dismiss what you went through - I agree it was abuse, and that is exactly what Dawkins meant when he made his comment.
You said - 'just follow jesus- easy' or something along those lines (sorry I'm not going back to quote directly) ..and I said it isn't always THAT EASY.
-- YES you suffered emotional/spiritual abuse, I most definitely acknowledge that and I think it sucks, but had you been born somewhere else the choice to choose what have now chosen may have not been 'so easy'.
That is all I am saying.
Des I'm not dismissing what you went through at all - I do still consider you fortunate to be able to sit where you are and type what you can without fear for your life.
11-04-2012 17:48 #114
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11-04-2012 17:52 #116Guest Guest
FiveintheBed you were quoting things from the old testament and translating them, questioning its meaning, sin, hell, the Canaanites? etc. Jesus came and he simplified it, he preached to his followers a new meaning and truth and said 'follow me' 'do as I do' His teachings were simple yet powerful. He then erased all sin because he died for our sins on the cross. It really is that simple for most Christians.
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11-04-2012 17:54 #117
I can say that if being brainwashed to believe a certain thing is abuse then of course it's going to be abuse in other parts of the world also. Yes I was able to escape, because in this country not only do we have freedom of religion but women also have more rights. So yeh that's great that I'm so lucky.
Doesn't change that I believe that christianity IS simple. It's simpler than people think, it's simpler than what they're being told to believe, it's simpler than some jerk's interpretation behind the pulpit. But people are so hell bent on power...being powerful, controlling and money that they don't want people to know just how simple it all is....cos then they won't be the elite anymore...and this has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with man and his greed for money and power!
11-04-2012 17:59 #118
Lily - yep, I agree it is that simple for most Christians.
You seem to forget I personally am NOT christian and when a thread discusses relgion and the bible and other writings - I take it as a whole.
I'm quite happy for you to take from it what you do NOW as it is presented to you.
I can't dismiss the history and how it has an effect on others around the world. *shrug*
...so on that note ..just be happy doing what you are doing
11-04-2012 20:46 #119
I heard a Joseph Prince sermon recently (he speaks a lot on the grace of God), and he was speaking about the Transfiguration (Matthew 17), where Jesus was on the mountain and Elijah and Moses appeared, and Peter (good old Peter!) said that they should built an altar – one for Jesus, one for Elijah, and one for Moses – and God interrupted Peter & said ‘This is my beloved Son’. Anyway, Joseph Prince was saying that Peter was trying to put Jesus (ie, grace) on the same level as the law and the prophets – and God was saying – you cannot make the principle of grace equal to the principle of the law, and the prophets. Don’t put Jesus on the same level as the law. Jesus fulfilled the law!
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