Maybe this is betterr in a spin off - but I do not think people mature earlier these days, in fact I think its the complete opposites. In centuries past right up to my parents generation people have left school at 12 and 13 and gone to work. Girls as young as 15 were sent to Australia as orphans and went straight to work. My mother and my FIL were both working full time jobs as 13yos. My GGM was married at 16 with a baby. The myth of having a childhood and playing with dolls 'til 12 has really only been possible post WW2. I think children are adultified too early with sexual connotations and kids are not taught responsibility when handed their charter of rights. That being said, there has to be a very clear line drawn in the sand as to where adult responsibility starts and childish indiscretion is allowed. I also think it needs to be a universal line as far as possible or at least for Australians Australian wide. Yes, what this woman did does not compare with what some people do to very little kids, and there are different laws in Australia to allow for that which are recognized in the sentencing of these people.
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11-04-2012 06:55 #131Senior Member
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11-04-2012 06:56 #132Senior Member
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I can guarantee that if I came on here and said my husband had a ten year old born when he was 15 to an older woman that he didn't pay any child support for alot of you would then sit there and bag him down.
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- if two 12 year olds have consensual sex, that should be a clear case of misdemenour activity/child neglect. The recourse for that should be education for the kids and an investigation of the parents/home situation by CHild protection services.
- if a 12 year old has sex with a 20 year old then that's statuatory rape.
- a 15 year old has nonconsensual sex With a 19 year old that is rape
- if a 15 year old has consensual sex with a 19 year old then that's some type of 'questionable sexual activity' . The recourse should be education for both parties, a physchological evaluation of both to determine maturity levels/if the 15 year old was happy and consenting or was pushed into sex. If the parents want to press charges then there's an automatic opening of a case with child protective services. The parents can't claim their child was abused and then say they are not responsible
For supervising their child and ensuring they are safe. The case would only progress to court if the physchological evaluation revealed a vast difference in maturity amongst the 15/19 year old and/or a likelihood that there was an abuse of power/pressuring into sex by the 19 year old... AND some type of mental
Damage to the 15 year old.
Just my two cents.
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11-04-2012 13:46 #136
Also, just about the point you tried to make, according to some people on BH, I should not expect to be assisted by my child's father, nor by the govt in the absence of CS, because I had the option to terminate and chose not to. Wonderful support hey!
11-04-2012 13:58 #137
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11-04-2012 14:19 #138
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11-04-2012 15:41 #139
The victim should not be forced to pay child support because they did not consent to the sex or any further action. The victim has the choice to keep the pregnancy/be a parent involved in the child's life, but they shouldn't be forced by having to keep the baby or pay child support. The victim deserves to have a choice.
From what I've read, your the victim and your child's father is the perpertrator, and he deserves to pay and more than financially! However, when you fell pregnant you made a choice to keep the baby, and therefore be responsible for your baby. That's amazing, and not many people could do that.
I'm sorry if you took offence, but I am pro-victim. In the case in the OP the baby needs to be in a loving, supportive home, which by the sounds of it, neither biological parent can provide. I agree with you that the child is also a victim, but to force the 16yo into paying is cruel. The best option is an alternative carer (the boys parents, adoptions, etc).
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11-04-2012 15:50 #140
When I was 15, I was completely blasé about sex. I knew, theoretically, that if I had unprotected sex with a male, I had a chance of pregnancy. But I couldn't process that truly rationally. My desire to have sex would have outweighed my comprehension of the consequences. The age of consent exists for a reason and there's no way I would have sex with some under that age because I really disagree that they do fully understand what they're doing.
And I also wholeheartedly agree with everything WCM said above.
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