Evolution for sure.
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04-03-2012 15:32 #11
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04-03-2012 15:40 #12
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04-03-2012 15:55 #13Senior Member
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The basic tenets of evolution can be tested and verified to be true. We have many examples of species that have adapted to their environments and evolved (over time) into something quite different.
Scientists do not claim to know everything, but principles that are held to be true (e.g., things like gravity, the fact that the world is round, calculations for speed/ velocity, etc.) can all be tested and verified in numerous ways.
I am not against religion, but I don't find religious principles useful for explaining the way in which the world works.
Religious and supernatural beliefs have not yet been shown to be testable, predictable, reliable, or true, whereas scientific beliefs have.
I fear that the next part of what am I about to say may offend some, but I do not mean it with any ill intent. I think it is hard for more scientifically minded people to understand how someone can believe in creationism and, I will be honest, I often feel that people who do not believe in evolution often have a very limited (or incorrect) understanding of it.
I don't have any issue with someone believing in any God or being of their choosing, but to me to deny evolution is akin to holding on to a conviction that the earth is flat.
I'll repeat, my issue is not with religious belief, but with denial of scientific findings, and insistence that something is not true without understanding what it is about.
I'm wary entering this debate, as I know the potential for offence is high. I apologise now if my comments upset anyone. I am being very honest about how I feel here, but I am also trying to tread respectfully.
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04-03-2012 16:01 #14
I read this the other night in one of the books I got for the kids (for when they are a little bit older - it is beyond their comprehension at the moment I think)
'Over 60 per cent of human genes are the same as those of the fruit fly. We are closely related to fruit and vegetables too. For example, about half of the chemical functions that take place in a banana are the same as those that take place in you.'
It is really grounding!
(and I can see why many would view it as frightening)
We have a huge impact on the world and we are a species that has advanced in many unique ways compared to other animals.. is why some consider us to be 'special' ...to have that 'realtionship' with some higher up?
what do people think of a 'conscience'?
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04-03-2012 16:04 #15
I also will not voice my opinion on here because it is apparently fun to have a laugh at people who beleive in religious things.
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04-03-2012 16:08 #16
Here's my take on it. God created the universe and put in place the possibility for things to live, grow, evolve. I believe the creation story took place over millions of years, not 7 days, and when He put humans on the planet, it was after humans evolved. Woman came from Man was a way of explaining that. Perhaps males evolved before females (or females evolved further after males ceased to evolve ).
I don't think we came from apes, but think it's possible that ape and man originated in the same spot but took different paths, so while apes were evolving, humans were evo
ving. So from the same starting point well before taking form of human or ape. There is no doubt in my mind that humand and apes are close cousins.
It makes sense to me that we originated in the water, and that dolphins are also a relative of humans. If you look at our design, it is similar to that of a dolphin.
In short, I believe creation took place, but over a lot longer timeframe than 7 days, but it might have been like 7 days to God.
I also believe we are not the only planet God allowed life to begin on.
04-03-2012 16:09 #17
Please don't antagonize.
If you don't want to voice an opinion that's fine, but going this type of round about way of voicing an opinion anyway is not productive.
There has been PP's say they believe in evolution AND they are religious.
I'm happy to report anyone that 'makes fun' of others - but I'm sure the mods will appreciate if we just discuss it like adults.
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04-03-2012 16:12 #18
04-03-2012 16:16 #19
How to people who believe in creationism explain certain thing- like dinosaurs, which existed millions of years ago, long before humans walked this Earth, and there is evidence of their existence remains (bones, ect) so it's kind of impossible to deny they were here....?
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04-03-2012 16:18 #20
Unfortunately I don't have all the answers , I can't explain intuition , I can't explain spirits or ghosts, I can't explain why i know exactly what my baby needs yet he still can't talk
personally I believe in evolution but that G-d had a hand in it some how, you want to know why, because I believe nature is so surreal and magnificent there must be something unexplainable about it
I believe that when my son waves to his grandmother in the sky who passed before he was born when we try and find " nannas star" that she is absolutely watching over him and that and that when I die I will see my family again because the world you live in too sad and scary
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