Nancy, is Gillard not fighting for gay marriage out of 'respect' for the line about marriage being between a man and a woman do you think?
Where does that line come from?
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05-03-2012 20:03 #284Senior Member
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How can people defend their personal beliefs about God and Jesus while having religion attacked as a whole?
How do you expect people to answer these questions?
So someone murders, and because he goes to church, that whole religion is bad? So because pedophiles (who were priests) abused children, you blame the whole religion? When terrorists bomb and kill people, do you blame the whole religion?
There are bad people in this world. People kill in the name of religion, people use religion to commit crimes, when we know its not the actual religion that incites violence and some people are just bad people.
This will always happen. You don't try and bring a whole faith and way of life down because *some people use it's name to do bad things.
How about we talk about atheists. What major crimes have atheists commited? Wasn't Hitler an atheist?
Haven't people been murdered and abused BECAUSE of their religion?
There are bad people in this world. End of story.
Gay marriage. Why hasn't anyone said the *government* should change gay marriage laws? Why don't people say governments need to seperate religion from politics and give equal rights regardless of religious beliefs? Why is religion blamed? Not everyone in government is religious?
Isn't our Prime Minister an atheist?
Yes the church rejects gay marriage, and I don't see gays being united in a church anytime soon. Its sad, but they won't alter the religion, to do this its altering things in the bible. Its said in the bible man and woman unite in marriage.
We would all like to see this changed, its discrimination. But I can't change a whole religious organisation. But the government can change its laws.
No one is denying bad things happen in the name of religion, they do, and it has alot to answer for. But don't use these things to attack peoples personal relationships with their faith and religion. Its an easy road to take, using bad things people have done and making people try and explain them. When 9/11 happened, muslims everywhere were blamed, the whole religion was attacked. It hurt muslims what terrorists did just as much as it hurt anyone else.
Attacking someones religion as a whole because of what bad people do is hurtful.
And remember, religious people hurt people, non religious people hurt people, religion is attacked just as much as its attacked. The point is, there is bad in this world, the actual religion isn't to blame. The bible never told a pedophile to become a priest to be closer to children where he can gain the trust and respect of his community and use it to commit his crime. The bible never said that. Man commits crime, not religion.
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05-03-2012 20:09 #289
As to the stuff about attributing bad things to religion and priests in particular, I think this more came as a response to the comment that religious people aren't pedophiles or murders and that in so many words, non believers are. I don't for a moment blame ladies in here that identify as catholic/christian and blame them (nor do I think anyone does). We are discussing the 'institution' of the religion not it's followers. That's why of all the christian religions I have the most issue with catholic which I was raised in - doesn't support female priests and hides pedophiles from punishment This is the church NOT the followers
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