The government in Australia is supposed to look out for people who don't have the means to support themselves. In the US it's every man for himself (or woman or child) whereas I like our way, no man (or woman or child) left behind.
Every Australian deserves free health care and free education. There is the option of going private with both, but our public systems need to be made and kept entirely free, with the option of donations if people so choose. But to add a compulsory fee will only lead to people missing out entirely. Feel free to move to the US if you prefer that lifestyle.
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26-02-2012 20:55 #71
26-02-2012 21:02 #72
I was referring to people who CAN pay their school fees, but choose not to, because they do not value education, yet they value other things above it. I think that often, we choose what we can afford. I can afford a mortgage, but have not bought a new pair of shoes in 3 years, for example. That is my choice, because I value having my own home, over having new shoes. SOME parents, (NOT ALL!) choose to pay for other things above their child's education, because they value them over education.
Opinionated, I think it's great that you see the value in other children attending excursions, swimming, etc. A few years ago, a guy I know organised a group of people from a church to fundraise for paying for children of parents who couldn't afford it to go on excursions, camps, swimming lessons, etc. We all got together and donated money, and gave our local schools $$ to pay for the extracurriculur activities for those children. I believe it made probably a small difference, but a difference nonetheless, in their lives.
It still baffles me that people say "Education should be free" - I think what you mean is that 'Education should be fully funded by the taxpayer, and not by the parents who send their children to school". I think what people don't get is that either way, you pay - either a $50 school fee, or a $50 increase in taxes to pay for it.
26-02-2012 21:02 #73
Our school charges around $250 each child, and it is billed as essential, not voluntary. There is an extra payment to $25 which is called a voluntary levy.
this year with excursions, fees and camp we will be looking at over $1500 for two kids. Certainly not free that's for sure. And honestly where we are if kids don't pay excursions they simply don't go. There is little charity. My catholic high school did charity a lot better.
26-02-2012 21:05 #74
It goes without saying that when people say it should be free that they mean government funded.
26-02-2012 21:08 #75
The policy at my school is if you can't afford to pay your fees, you don't. But you lose your EMA payments when they come in to pay for supplies etc. You can still attend camp and excursions if your fees aren't paid but not if you don't pay for them as they are "extras". Same applies for students who pay fees.
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26-02-2012 21:11 #76
Not GOVERNMENT funded... TAXPAYER funded.
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26-02-2012 21:16 #77
Even at our non-govt school, there is a an air of superiority from those who put in time, and some competition about who contributes more time there. Of course, they don't have a kid who would be attached to them if they stay. Not to mention they don't find the school run absolutely traumatic and want to leave before the tears start.
26-02-2012 21:18 #78
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I really disagree with this disparity but there is little I can do about it. At one school my children attended, the fee charged for swimming was specified as being for the bus. The children were taken to a neighbouring school and given lessons there. I did not pay the bus fee, but instead drove my children from the school to the swimming lesson, and back to the school again. At that school, the bus fee had climbed to $6 per day (return trip) by the time we left the school.
At the school they are currently at, swimming lessons are at a private pool, and the fee covers both the bus and entry. In this case it is $10 per lesson, and I had other commitments so was not in a position to drive them to avoid the bus part of the fee. Thus, I have simply paid the cost even though I disagree with it. (The alternative would be for my children to miss out.) I will however say that these swimming lessons are superior to other school-based swimming lessons. The children are divided by ability and taught in groups of 7-8, whereas at other schools the whole class (25-30 kids) is taught by one PE teacher and perhaps 1-2 parent helpers. So, I enrolled my children in afterschool lessons at the same place, so that they had continuity of instruction.
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