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18-02-2012 16:48 #201
18-02-2012 17:05 #202
I was just saying they're not comparable payments. Their purposes are different.
So the relevance of bringing up the baby bonus is irrelevant.
Apples and Oranges.
FTR - My thought is that if someone wants to complain about something that they feel is unfair - go for it.
The people who have the bigger problem are the ones that push their own agendas and tell others whether they have something to complain about or not. Everyone's feelings are as valid as everyone elses.
Last edited by Mod-pegasus; 18-02-2012 at 17:15.
18-02-2012 17:12 #203Guest Guest
I'm sure you're great with money and live within your means, it doesn't mean other people don't? To think no one will miss 1k is ridiculous, going by your logic does that mean you wouldn't miss losing $300 every year with no explanation given?
18-02-2012 17:37 #204
People seem to be missing the point. It has nothing to do with affording to lose the money. Yeah, my family can afford PHI, the extra bit we might have to pay would not effect us too much. However, that does not mean that we have to be happy about it, and that we should just accept it without questioning it.
Regarding BB - I understand why people would have been upset about losing part of that payment. Especially those whose incomes are lower, financial stress can put pressure on new mums, who are under enough stress as it it. But why are they allowed to be upset at losing out on $400, but are other people not allowed to be upset about having to fork out more, just because they happen to have higher incomes?
Lets go with a hypothetical on this. Suppose you have $100 in your wallet that you have specifically put away for the purpose of purchasing a new outfit. All of your other needs are covered, your bills paid, your food purchased, and you have this $100 to spend on clothes. Suppose some guy in a uniform with a badge that said "wallet police" came up to you and said "you have too much money in that wallet, and due to having too much money in your wallet, I am now taking $5 off you" and took a $5 note out of your wallet and walked away.
So you now have $95 to buy your outfit with. $5 out of $100 isn't much to lose. It isn't going to impact the quality of the outfit you buy hugely, if at all. So, by the arguments on here, you can AFFORD to lose that $5.
Would you be upset? Would you feel justified in feeling angry at the wallet police? Even though it is not enough money to destroy your life, would you feel like you were being taken for a bit of a ride? Because I certainly would!
I realise that I just over-simplified it a lot, but in a nutshell, that is how it feels.
18-02-2012 17:56 #205
I just think the govt should just scraped all rebates/bonus/assistance/incentive scheme and have a graded tax cut across the board. Then everyone can just pay for the services/goods they want. eg. not everyone will have a baby/have children and will never make use of child care rebate, family assistance or baby bonus. Why should a single person without children pay tax to fund all these? People struggling to make ends meet who can't afford to own a house are paying taxes to fund solar panels on other people's houses for example.
18-02-2012 18:00 #206
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18-02-2012 19:12 #208Senior Member
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It's actually not basic finance. It's economic redistribution based on Social Democratics ideals. I wish more people would take the time to question the way our lives are run!
As for your "poor me" spiel.. Life is part luck, part choice. Assuming people that earn high incomes or went to uni have had a lucky life is incorrect and a bit dreary really. We're lucky in Australia to have an education system that doesn't work that way - that provides an arena for choice. I stopped going to high school when I was younger than you were, got divorced, lived in poverty...could go on and on about my "luck" (and also my choices!) and I've got 1 degree under my belt and halfway through my second that will eventually see me in quite a high income bracket. I'm not trying to say I'm better than you (or anyone) only that you can't assume so much. My background is probably why I am where I am -- maybe if I didn't know how low life could get I wouldn't work so hard to do better.
Last edited by MaybeBabyNo2; 18-02-2012 at 19:15.
20-02-2012 02:52 #209
The problem with all these rebates and incentives is that not everybody wants it, but the government is making everyone pay for it regardless. Even people and families who can't afford PHI have to fund the rebates for those who can.
20-02-2012 05:10 #210
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