What were the specifics of the murder?
I think that counts for a lot.
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22-01-2012 15:24 #11-
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22-01-2012 15:30 #12
I think its a really murky area with no clear right or wrong.
22-01-2012 15:40 #13Senior Member
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In this case two men were drunk and bashing someone outside a deli. The deli attendant came out and broke up the fight. The two men then waited for the deli attendant to finish work and has he walked home the bashed him unconscious.
The man who wants the baby then dragged him across the road and put his face in a puddle/pond and holding him there until he drowned. He also then went and burnt his bike. This is the part the man denied he did. Although apparently he bragged to his mates about this part
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22-01-2012 15:44 #14
is it that different to a simgle woman wanting to have a baby? either kid is going to grow up without his biological father in his life, as a traditional father figure at least.
its a hard one, why should she be refused to have children because of what someone else has done? but then again how will the child cope/be treated with a father who is a convicted murderer and who will never see unless on the other side of a glass plate(only guessing here that is how they would visit)?
22-01-2012 15:45 #15
After reading that, I have no idea why someone would want him to father her child. Absolutely incomprehensible.
22-01-2012 15:53 #16Senior Member
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Who would be paying for the IVF treatment?
I don't think the specifics of the murder should be taken into account. Any recounting of events will mean that people feel inherently squeamish/ distressed about the murder, and less inclined to grant the man what he wants.
I think it should be the case that prisoners are allowed, or aren't, but not dependent on the nature of the crime.
What we are really arguing is whether imprisonment should mean forsaking all human rights (presumably including things like voting). I agree with Lemonhead that imprisonment is a loss of freedom, but should not include a loss of all human privileges.
I would be inclined to argue that he should be able to father the child, providing he/ his wife pay for it. Having said that, I think the impact on society if that were common could be a negative one. It would undoubtedly lead to a higher reliance on social support, and result in more children growing up in one parent families - which may add a financial burden to the primary carers and, accordingly, the state.
22-01-2012 15:56 #17
22-01-2012 16:00 #18
I'm not sure why people living off tax payers and state money is more concerning than the actual child who is going to live this life.
22-01-2012 16:03 #19
Another burden on the system. How long is the mother in prison for? If she's serving a life sentence too, does this mean the child is raised in prison or fostered? How does it work ?
22-01-2012 16:06 #20
A single person going through IVF using donor sperm is not the same thing. In this case the father will have access to the child. Imagine having to spend the time allocated to visitation in a prison. How will that impact on a child?
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