Actually according to the comments it seems that the article has been tweeked a bit too because a couple of people have posted this comment....
"Sasha's gender was almost revealed when he took to running around their garden naked, but Beck was resolute and encouraged him to play with dolls to hide his masculinity."
And I can't find it in the article at all now. Several posters have posted this comment and it's a really disturbing comment showing exactly what her agenda was....but now the comment is gone? And the comment about banning combat trousers is also gone.
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21-01-2012 21:42 #21
21-01-2012 21:53 #22
My problem with it is that by actively hiding his gender they may be sending the signal that being a boy is something to be ashamed of (since that's what he is).
I agree with rejecting gender stereotypes. My boy happily plays with high heels and dolls when he wants to, but I don't push him into it to hide anything. They have used their child in a sociall experiment and it feels wrong.
Being a girl or a boy is nothing to be ashamed of and need not be limiting. She's using him to play a game and it feels, well, squicky.
21-01-2012 21:55 #23
If he was expressing his masculinity than it makes sense for them to allow that
I let dd play with any toy and choose her own clothes shorts or skirts. I'm not hugely feminine myself I don't wear make up or many dressers and skirts. (love pink though lol) but my dd just has always gravitates to feminine "girly" things
She loves cricket and footy, cars,blocks, trains, dinosaurs, books, dolls, prams, dress ups of fairy dresses, necklaces, handbags and aprons
I know I'll be most likely signing her up to milo cricket (dh grandmother was a bit horrified, "what about netball?") and auskick and dance lessons as she loves all those things
21-01-2012 22:05 #24Senior Member
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I think it's disgusting.... Poor child
21-01-2012 22:14 #25
Crackpots, the both of them.
They've sheltered the child from all gender influence for five whole years, referring to it as "the infant", and now they're shoving it into the public school system with no prior warning and hoping it will all turn out okay.
My lord this child is going to hate his parents one day.
21-01-2012 22:18 #26
I'm all for trying to get rid of gender stereotypes (which these parents aren't doing by assuming that tutus are for girls and combat trousers for boys) but this needs to be done slowly over time across society. This isn't done by hiding someone's gender and disguising one's masculinity or femininity. It's by embracing one's gender but teaching kids that they are free to be who they are, no matter what they wear.
If they are a girl and they choose to wear pink they need to know that they are not bound to only live a life that society has deemed as feminine...and vice versa. I don't understand how hiding one's gender needs to be done.
Think about transgender people....they say they are one gender trapped in another body....what does that tell you? That a particular gender (girl/boy) is how one identifies themselves and what happens when they find out they really are a girl or boy....they dress the way society deems as masculine or feminine and they act the way society deems as masculine or feminine too. And this tells us that the gender they are must match the outside or they are feel trapped! There is no getting away from this!
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21-01-2012 22:20 #27
I can feel a rebellion coming on!
21-01-2012 22:39 #28
Massive social change starts small, by pioneering individuals.
But they were not hiding the child's gender, they were hiding the child's s.ex so that the child's gender could not be defined by others. I guess to these people, by the child feeling free to choose their own identity without the added pressure of socially accepted assigned gender they have a better chance at being free to be who they are.
Girls are able to wear pink and blue without much of a problem, they are less bound by colours than boys are. Our society tends to baulk at boys wearing colours that are deemed feminine. I don't understand why we feel the need to assign a gender to a baby or child who is yet to understand the concept of gender or decide where they feel they fit within the accepted boundaries of gender.
Having said that....you can say that society makes your children be a certain gender and you can hate that all you like, but you cannot stop it! Also by one MAKING a child be gender neutral you're also influencing your children to be something too and to live a certain way, how is that any different.
If this society changed overnight where everyone saw everyone else as a person and not a 'gender' or 'sex' or whatever.....then you will have 'pioneers' trying to bring it back to what it was before, it won't ever end. You will always get people who revolt against the rest of society no matter what! Utopia will never happen.
Yes, it tells me they feel trapped in the wrong body. It might be easier for them if we didn't assign gender based upon genitals.
I think you and I have disagreed about this one many times
21-01-2012 23:33 #29
" encouraged him to play with dolls to hide his masculinity.
Sasha wears a ruched-sleeved and scalloped-collared shirt to school from the girl's uniform list, and has been banned from sporting combat trousers.
The youngster is also encouraged to wear flowery tops at weekends. "
Ahhh, now I see.
It's okay to express your gender in colours, dress, hairstyles, toys and costumes. As long as you're not expressing a male gender.
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21-01-2012 23:40 #30
I would place a bet that if they had a girl, she would be banned from wearing pink, playing with dolls, or having clips in her hair. This is where I think it's wrong. Let the kid be free to be a kid, not push him into things. Now if he chose the girls uniform, chose to play with dolls, chose to wear flowery tops, I see no problem with that.
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