This is a question arising from something in the 2012 studying thread, I am a SAHM hoping to go to Uni next January. I have a DD17 mo and DS3mo, I want to study Midwifry. I am undecided whether or not to apply for direct entry midwifry or nursing then postgrad midwifry. I have spoken to some nursing friends and there seems to be some issues with the opinions on direct entry midwifry.
So tell me if you know, once qualified are direct entry midwives considered less qualified than those who are qualified nurses first? I am Really interested in midwifry, i am 35 and will be 40 when qualified hoping to do 1 year parttime then 2 years fulltime. Direct entry seems better solution for me but i dont want to limit my job prospects. Also i wonder is there an underlying notion in the workplace between midwives that unless you have done nursing first you couldnt have the knowlege to be a great midwife...
Also has anyone sat a STAT as a means of entry to UTS and whats the score needed to get in?..
Looking forward to your opinions!
Im so friggin excited to be doing this!!!!
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19-01-2012 13:46 #1
SPIN OFF***** Direct entry Midwifry vs Nursing then postgrad Midwifry
19-01-2012 14:36 #2
I agree I'd like to know from someone in the field preferably. Are direct entry midwives considered second rate? Either job prospect-wise or by working colleagues? I have just been accepted into direct entry and I'm nervous. It is sooooooo much work. What if I put my family through all this and I can't get a job? Or I do get a job and I'm treated like a second class professional? 😖😓
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19-01-2012 14:54 #3
My concerns exactly! I have a very good nurse friend who doesnt think that direct entry is less qualified... However an older midwife friend thinks that direct entry you are loosing a lot of other knowlege you may need... She studied 30 years ago though and understands that direct eny is more common now.
19-01-2012 15:15 #4
With direct entry, we ARE learning all the nursing skills needed for midwifery. I just think that the idea of direct entry is new to some hospitals but it has been in NZ, UK and Canada for years now & works well. I've had direct entry preceptors who are great midwives.
I'd love to hear whether professional nurses or midwives think direct entry midwives are second rate too.
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19-01-2012 15:23 #5
Great thread! I am hereby subscribing.
19-01-2012 15:45 #6
I am about to finish my nursing degree, and a family member has just finished their BMid. I am considering doing midwifery post grad. There is nothing wrong with the education given to Bmidders, they have first rate knowledge in their field. The issue seems to be at the other end of the degree. My family member was extremely lucky to secure a position upon graduation. Out of her 8 friends, all of whom were on the deans list with grade point averages of 6.0 or higher, she was the only one to have a permanent job for next year. It seems that womens/maternity hospitals were the only ones keen on straight Bmids. Other hospitals where midwifery is just one department were much more interested in those with double degrees Bnurse/Bmid to staff their midwifery areas and straight Bnurses for other areas of the hospital.
During my 3rd year placements, I got to do rotations at two regional hospitals near to me, both of which have maternity units. I have friends that have birthed at both of these hospitals and would one day like to work at them. I enquired about how the maternity units were staffed. Neither hospitals hire straight Bmids. This could be because the degree is fairly recent, but also because of the hospitals size. Staff in their maternity units are sometimes required to work in other areas of the hospital and for that reason they only hire RNs with postgraduate midwifery qualifications. One of the hospitals was even happy to pay for their staff to gain midwifery qualifications after they started working for them.
My advice would be to do postgraduate midwifery or a double degree if midwifery is your passion. At this point in time, employment options for Bmidders is quite limited, and almost non existent in regional and country areas from what I have noticed.
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19-01-2012 16:58 #7
Coming from a different angle here - I'm a kiwi and here in nz they don't do post grad nursing training in midwifery and have two years ago, increased the bmid to a 4 yr degree. Here in nz it seems that straight bmid midwives are seen more highly as they have trained for longer in that one specialized field. I am not 100% able to confirm this - but have been told by hospital staff and a Uni lecturer that in nz they may stop giving registration in the coming years to midwives who didn't do the bmid direct entry. I also was told by an Ozzie midwife that her Uni told her they are phasing the post grad midwifery out all tgtha in the coming years.
So that's my five cents
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19-01-2012 19:43 #8
That may have been my post? If so, sorry to have worried you.
The BMID does cover a lot of the knowledge you will need relating to maternity/labour/birth, but as you all know, there is more to this stage of life. General nursing problems do pop up for many women, whether they are pregnant with a prior disease that may unexpectedly cause problems, to those that get severe injuries during their pregnancy or just before their birth, which can impact it. The reason dual or those who did a postgrad or masters in midwifery are more sought after is because they have the nursing background/training to address these problems or even pick up on something during a prenatal that may be wrong with the mother that requires the nursing knowledge as it's not pregnancy related, but could cause problems with it (ie/ blood works that return a reading that are indicative of cancer).
It may not cause a problem gaining employment, but it may make a difference in how you are treated at work. And that does matter a lot when you are spending more time with co-workers than you are with family. May midwives I personally know see direct entry midwives more on par with EN's and treat them accordingly. But honestly, if you are finding problems with employment, you could always do a postgrad or masters in nusring. 2 years, or 1.5 years if you accelerate it (do summer semester).
19-01-2012 19:57 #9
Sorry I have just read that back over and it sounds like I'm cranky. I'm not just confused and a bit stressed I don't want to have no job in 3 years...
19-01-2012 19:59 #10
Cant edit, darn app the subjects are called different things and the placements are obviously in diff places of the hospital but they are so alike. I hope I haven't made a huge mistake.
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