You can fight against homophobia in other ways, and it's working because homophobia is slowly being taken down. But you can't go to someone's house (religion) and demand they bend their rules for you....no matter how stupid you think they are. If you came to my home and demanded I bend my rules for you then I'd be showing you the door...whether or not I'm a hypocrite, I'm a hypocrite in my home. You are free to avoid my home. (using my home as an example of how religion is). And yes you have to accept it!
We have freedom of religion in this country...if we start taking that away then that will pose a whole new set of problems so we can't do that either.
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21-12-2011 15:34 #81
21-12-2011 15:39 #82Senior Member
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I don't think the child should miss out on education. And if that child would like to be Catholic, or learn about Catholicism then she should be allowed.
However, I don't get why the parents are still going on about it. Well I do, they're getting a lot of media attention from it.
My children are all baptised Catholic. On the same street as their school is a small Muslim school. If I was to rock up to that school, admit we are Catholic, and demand enrolment for
my children, would you all be up in arms about it when they refused my kids enrolment? No. You would say, you're not Muslim, neither are your kids, they're Catholic, send them to a Catholic school. Where are my rights? What if I want to send them to a school for Aboriginal students? What if I want to enrol my child into the basketball program at a local well known local public school, knowing she can't catch?
Honestly if it wasn't a Catholic school, it wouldn't have made the papers.
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21-12-2011 16:19 #83
But at what point should freedo of religion have to give way to blatant discrimination against others? If the school refused admission to a student because her parents were dark skinned would that be acceptable?
21-12-2011 16:35 #84
21-12-2011 18:13 #85
21-12-2011 18:19 #86
You can't force a religion to go against (what they think) is God's ordinances. You just can't do that....no matter how much we disagree, you just can't. The best you can do is to avoid....again, why would anyone want to be a part of a church or religious organisation that discriminates or thinks that God discriminates against them as a person??? It simply defies logic. Scream unfairness all you like....but at the end of the day no one is entitled to send their kids to a religious school. This is not an entitlement or a right. You have a right to be educated, you don't have a right to be educated in a religious school...this is merely a choice, not a right.
21-12-2011 18:19 #87
Well I went to catholic primary school in the 80's and never once did they teach us about homosexuality, let alone that it is wrong. I hardly think a primary school would be teaching it in the present day, they're a bit more progressive these days, but I still won't be sending my kids to any religious school.
21-12-2011 18:45 #88
I had my whole school years of catholic education and not once heard anything about sexuality, homophobia etc. I had also been baptized etc and never heard anything about it through the church.
Edit: I'm only 23 so obviously school was pretty recent
21-12-2011 19:22 #89
I tend to disagree -- if it was another type of school denying a child enrollment based on their parents sexual orientation. I'd most DEFINITELY SAY it would be making the papers.
Just like this should be.
Religious Freedoms used to ALLOW people to have slaves. It was 'accepted'.
Only people questioning and NOT accepting that this was okay changed things.
Obviously things CAN change and is IS worth questioning particular ideas.
Soem of the comments on that article show that people have attended Catholic schools with not only students from same sex families, but some students taht are in same sex relationships and can take their partners to school dances etc - one even mentions a teacher.
And yep -- I would never choose to send my children to that school, (even if the only other option in my Zone was a crappy 'rough' school with a bad reputation -- which -- I will note..is one of the biggest reasons people in Central Broken Hill choose to send their kids to Sacred Heart... THAT is higher on their priority list than the Religious teachings) ...but that doesn't mean I can't discuss what happened, have an opinion on the matter and hope for change in our society.
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These schools aren't run by your average normal Catholic person. They are run by active members of the church ie priests, bishops, etc.
Those are the people who live and breathe the Bible each and every day. The teachers that teach at the school, aren't always Catholic either, so they would be more relaxed. However for the teachers the same rules apply as for the students and parents. They need to accept and respect the Catholic church and their teachings.
I'm hoping that when they teach kids about God and the Bible at these schools, it's more along the lines of how much God loves us and the earth. Things he created, things he's destroyed, etc. Not a long and boring account of the 7 deadly sins, the 10 commandments and what happens if you do not stick to them.
Anyway, again, if you dont like what the Catholic people and their Bible have to say about sins, the commandments, who they believe is wrong and/or right according to their bible, etc, than go and find another school. It's that simple.
Maybe if they tried to enroll with a different Catholic school, they might just get accepted, as every school seems to have different standards.
However, I believe that this current school that initially denied them enrollment, has offered them an enrollment afterall, but you just cant please some people.
I'm not a Catholic, Im Pentecostal. However if my son would be able to go to a main****** school without needing extra help and if I could afford it too, I would be happy to accept their policies and believes if that meant my son got the best education. Though I wouldn't become a Catholic nor would I give up my relationship if it's not suitable in their eyes. In that case, I would stick with a public school.
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