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13-12-2011 21:27 #81
13-12-2011 22:01 #82
Your argument re children getting married is not really relevant. We are clearly all talking about consenting adults. As for marriage not being a human right, I'm not sure what kind of websites you have visited but there is plenty of others who think differently.
"Article 16, Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR):
Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution."
For more than a decade, this non-discrimination principle has been interpreted by UN treaty bodies and numerous inter-governmental human rights bodies as prohibiting discrimination based on gender or sexual orientation. Non-discrimination on grounds of sexual orientation has therefore become an internationally recognized principle and many countries have responded by bringing their domestic laws into line with this principle in a range of spheres including partnership rights.
It doesn't get much clearer than that Father. Marriage equality is indeed a human rights issue.
You would be happy to ban divorce? Really? What about domestic violence victims? You'd make them stay married to their abuser? ...interesting.
13-12-2011 22:11 #83
Laws are put in place to restrict the marriage of a child to another until a child’s maturity has evolved enough to eliminate as much exploitation as possible, many of which would be a bi-product of marriage at such an age. As you know a child of 5 is unable to make such an impacting decision. An adult is able to, and should have the right to make that decision for themselves, be it one of same sex orientation or not.
The right to equality before the law is one of the most fundamental of all human rights principles yet the Marriage Act is among a raft of Australian laws which deny this basic right to gay and lesbian couples and their children.
13-12-2011 22:17 #84
UDHR article 12: the right to marry and start a family
UDHR article 2: the right to have all human rights granted regardless of race, religion, economic status or any other factor (I.e. sexuality).
I don't know them verbatim and I'm not on a computer, but yes, the right to marry is a human right and all human rights are expected to granted regardless of any status.
Last edited by Mod-pegasus; 14-12-2011 at 03:22.
13-12-2011 22:18 #85
I also don't understand why it effects hetros? I'm hetro, I married a man....but how does gays marrying change anything between Dh and I? Hetros have made a right mockery of marriage ourselves, yet two same sex people that love each other are worse than Brittany Spears and her 12 hour marriage?
I think sometimes how I would feel, completely hetro and if I was born into a society of 90% gay and 10% straight, where I was only allowed to marry a woman. That the man I loved and I were shunned and our rights to marriage taken away. I could never marry a woman just to 'fit in' with society, so I would spend my life, totally in love with a man and not being able to have it legally acknowledged. That would be a terrible feeling
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13-12-2011 22:24 #89
I thought I should add that Australia has ratified the convention of civil and political rights, which echoes the sentiments of the UDHR with regards to marriage, which makes the right to marry for all in Australia a matter of international law as ratification of the CCPR makes it subject to international law for violations.
13-12-2011 22:30 #90
Seventeen year olds (and sixteen year olds) can actually get married in at least some states, as it happens...
Strangely enough, those howling about "the sanctity of marriage" - including the church - have traditionally either ignored or opposed moves to outlaw this.
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