Cannibalism, pecking orders resulting in serious injuring and killing of other birds, reduced production, easier and faster spread of disease. Animal welfare activists also want to ban debeaking, which will actually make these situations worse than what they already are. Free range is not necessarily a better alternative, and there have been studies showing that stress rates are higher in free range birds than caged birds.
It is just never that black and white. People want good animal ethics, I do too, but the majority also don't want to pay the high prices for the alternatives to current systems. Sometimes the alternatives are not always better either.
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26-09-2011 23:10 #81Senior Member
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27-09-2011 00:13 #82
i buy free range, everyone in my family does, we used to have chooks but we dont at the moment till i set up a run for them (hopefully then ill have 4ish) chooks make awesome pets DS used to pat Chicken the chicken when he was a baby and wed bring her in to help eat his crumbs lol
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27-09-2011 06:49 #83
I challenge the organic is no different "research " also, there are tons of research for and against but as pp said I feed my son pesticide free fruit and veg and meat and chicken ( and eggs) raised on gmo and chemical free feed plus it makes us feel better the animals did have some quality of life!
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27-09-2011 07:28 #84
It's true that organic food is nutritionally no better for you than non organic- it's been proven in many studies. The numbers are there. The pesticide issue is different- there is less (not none, just less) chemical residue on certified organic produce versus non organic. There is still some. It is significantly lower but it's still there. The only way to avoid it altogether is grow your own- even then it's not guaranteed! The average home gardener does have the equipment to test their soil etc. I do hear a lot of people confuse organic meat and free range- can I just say- it's not the same thing.
27-09-2011 08:00 #85
Can't afford it, so I buy caged. Maybe when finances are better one day, I will switch
27-09-2011 09:00 #86
Yes i do, i buy the coles ones that are $3.98 for a dozen. So not expensive.
The thought of eating caged eggs actually make me feel sick and i can't do it. I would rather not eat eggs at all.
27-09-2011 09:21 #87
I don't but I haven't bought that many eggs anyway so when I did I'd just grab a carton from Aldi because they're cheaper.
Lately, however, I don't buy eggs at all because another bubhub member by the name of Morrigan (pax) gives me her eggs now so I have an over abundant stock of eggs that the kids absolutely love and taste so much better than cage eggs.
Went over to Morrigan's place yesterday and checked out her chickens and she's got some beautiful chickens. Just recently she bought some ex battery hens and they are so skinny and lack all these feathers, and she's trying to feed up. In the next cage she has the same type of chickens as the battery hens that she's had since they were chicks and the difference in sizes and condition is phenominal!!! And they just look so much happier too!
Anyway, I've never felt good about buying cage eggs, which is why I didn't buy many but now having seen the difference with my own eyes between the two lots of chickens it's made me think....
Anyway I don't think I'll be buying eggs for a very loooooong time, but if I do, I'll be certainly thinking twice now after seeing Morrigan's chooks.
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27-09-2011 09:26 #88has left the building
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yes, i do.
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I cant wait till dh come home and we build our chicken run!!!! Always had homegrown eggs available to me as mum's a hippy from way back. They taste sooooooooooooooooo much better than any of the supermarket eggs, even the free range ones.
Now I spent about 3 years working on a chicken farm, it was a breeder farm so the eggs went to be hatched for meat birds or for use in vaccines. I was friends with the managers and man did we look after those birds!!! They were our livelihood and the owners aswell. Yeah we had to do mercy killings at times ad that was hard but better than the chicken being raped to death or eaten alive by her peers. The rosters were INSANE and very scary at times, they would attack you from behind and while you were allowed to defend yourself, they still had their spurs, it was very looked down upon if you lost it and violently attacked the bird.
Anyway I moved interstate for a few years and when I moved back and got my old ob back the whole place had changed, my friends were still there but the owner had leased the farm to one of the big companies. They were terrible and had no concern for the birds welfare at all. The sheds were designed for a certain number of birds yet this company decided they could cram more in there It was so sad and so many died from smothering. I'll never forget one day going in to do my last 'shed run' for the day only to end up pulling out over 100 babies who had just smothered themselves trying to get to a bit of sunlight It was devastating, nevertheless it was not long after that my friends the managers quit nd me and a few other staff left the next day. Just another example of big business only giving a damn about the almighty dollar!!!!
27-09-2011 09:56 #90
Always free range but not from big egg companies who do both caged and free ranged as I don't trust them! I buy free range from smaller farms or companies who only do free range!
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