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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubmum View Post
    I am absolutely appalled at the language in this thread (and coming from both sides), about women "giving in", "not being strong enough", etc etc when using pain relief during labour.

    Grow up people! We do not live in the middle ages. Women's bodies are not chatels and goods. These are real, breathing living humans that we are talking about who should recieve support for the decisions they make about their bodies.

    I sense a lot of frustration from people who did not get the ideal birth, and how they would have done things differently for them. That is wonderful that you have had that experience, and now have a solid plan in place. Bravo..more power to you. But that does not mean that your experience can identify to every woman.

    You have no idea of individual circumstances. We could be facing an absolute future nightmare of necessary medical intervention...a lot of women have gestational diabetes and are birthing larger babies. A family member had to have a c-section due to an STD. Simple matters like this are on the rise, so you will never know the story behind the individual birthing process. Women are just not tied into beds and left to it any more. OBs and midwives are aware of a variety of problems, and things are treated differently according to different needs. Of course they never get it right every time, and there is always room for improvement, but it is a very unpredictable process, and resources are stretched.

    What ever happened to the sisterhood? Women will complain that they are unsupported, that the community spirit has broken down. Well no wonder, when we are all so busy castigating each other at every given opportunity.
    Hear hear - or is that here here. I've weighed in on this 'discussion' for something to do last night. It is mudslinging - something women do well! Anyhow let's focus on our beautiful children... Six months down the track when your baby is smiling and cooing at you, or at 18 months when they are running after you, or 5 years when they are going to school the way we got them into our world really doesn't matter does it?

    Maybe a spin off thread should start about drinking whilst looking after children... Once my husband and I went out and had a huge night. We had the best night out and were totally rolling drunk when we came home to relieve the babysitter. Woke up with cranking hangovers... Thank goodness our 2 year old didn't need assistance overnight as we would've been incompetent and negligent. Now I would never allow both of us to be drunk and useless at the same time unless we have someone else in the house. Anybody else ever done that?

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    I had gas during Bella's birth, a CS for Phoenix's so a plethora. I wouldn't for any future bubs.
    Thermy makes no secret of being passionate about completely natural, drug-free birth, I don't know why people are getting all high horsie about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubmum View Post
    This is the thing though...not once have you come in and explained/discussed the risks...Just your OP which made a comparison to drinking alcohol. It does not take a genius to draw a line of judgement.

    When I have talked about this thread, it has been in relation to everyone posting in it, not just you Thermo. There has just been emotional talk, and no actual discussion of facts. This is your thread, if you don't like the way it has headed, I suggest this is the way to move it forward.

    I will honestly say I know the risks of pain meds, but as DD fed straight after a c-section, and scored perfectly on the agpar tests, I am extremely cynical about those risks. They did not affect us, but that is just anecdotal, and in no way reflects the true risks involved. Therefore, I am not willing to wade too heavily into this debate. I am just here to support women and their choices.
    Sorry but what makes you think I have the time to explain the risks? It was never my intention to "educate" people with this thread, I have started plenty of threads about the risks of pain relief I have posted dozens and dozens of links to risks where appropriate.

    I was just curious as to how other people specifically the people I mentioned in the OP thought, that's all! I am trying to come to an understanding. Supporting all women in CB* is something I am thinking of doing, how can I do that when I don't understand some aspects of peoples choices? What better people to ask then the very women who make those choices?
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    On the topic of drinking whilst pregnant. I had two glasses of wine in my last pregnancy. I had one at 40 weeks and one at 41 weeks. I did it to relax. There was no option of induction for me and I was starting to worry that things would never happen. I did it in the hope that by relaxing in a bath with a glass of wine my body would let go of the fear it was holding onto and begin labor. So should I assume that everyone who has made a comment about drinking in labor is judging me for my informed decision? Should I assume that those who didn't drink think they are houlier than thou and are judgine me and my decision?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubmum View Post
    I am absolutely appalled at the language in this thread (and coming from both sides), about women "giving in", "not being strong enough", etc etc when using pain relief during labour.

    Grow up people! We do not live in the middle ages. Women's bodies are not chatels and goods. These are real, breathing living humans that we are talking about who should recieve support for the decisions they make about their bodies.

    I sense a lot of frustration from people who did not get the ideal birth, and how they would have done things differently for them. That is wonderful that you have had that experience, and now have a solid plan in place. Bravo..more power to you. But that does not mean that your experience can identify to every woman.

    You have no idea of individual circumstances. We could be facing an absolute future nightmare of necessary medical intervention...a lot of women have gestational diabetes and are birthing larger babies. A family member had to have a c-section due to an STD. Simple matters like this are on the rise, so you will never know the story behind the individual birthing process. Women are just not tied into beds and left to it any more. OBs and midwives are aware of a variety of problems, and things are treated differently according to different needs. Of course they never get it right every time, and there is always room for improvement, but it is a very unpredictable process, and resources are stretched.

    What ever happened to the sisterhood? Women will complain that they are unsupported, that the community spirit has broken down. Well no wonder, when we are all so busy castigating each other at every given opportunity.

    It's bloody difficult being perfect and hard enough just being adequate a lot of the time quite frankly. I'm sure everyone is doing their best. In 2011 I'm putting my nice pants on and being less judgemental of others as I would hope they would be of me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SorensMum View Post
    My son was similar in size, he just wasn't very fat as he was pulled out 3 weeks early because of his size, long skinny, broad shouldered with a HUGE head. The Obstetrician said without a c-section it could've gone very sour.

    He was wedged firmly between my ribs, so I knew he hadn't shifted, even if they insisted
    he had. I liked being right, but I didn't like how consistently wrong they were.
    Yep, Jasper was the same, lanky, with a BIG head. Luckily he filled out within a few weeks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubmum View Post
    This is the thing though...not once have you come in and explained/discussed the risks...Just your OP which made a comparison to drinking alcohol. It does not take a genius to draw a line of judgement.

    When I have talked about this thread, it has been in relation to everyone posting in it, not just you Thermo. There has just been emotional talk, and no actual discussion of facts. This is your thread, if you don't like the way it has headed, I suggest this is the way to move it forward.

    I will honestly say I know the risks of pain meds, but as DD fed straight after a c-section, and scored perfectly on the agpar tests, I am extremely cynical about those risks. They did not affect us, but that is just anecdotal, and in no way reflects the true risks involved. Therefore, I am not willing to wade too heavily into this debate. I am just here to support women and their choices.
    And I had an epidural with my first after being told by an OB and a midwife there are some small risks but they're rare and not to worry about.

    Well I have a tender spot on my back, I had an epidural headache, I had the shakes, my temperature sky rocketed, she was born sluggish and sleepy and had terrible trouble feeding right from the start.

    Not everyone reacts badly to pain meds during labour, but not one knows for sure until afterwards. If someone had of told me that everything we went through could be caused by an epidural, I doubt I would have gotten one.

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    Just being pedantic, but in case it has yet to be said... a spinal tap is not the same as spinal morphine. Spinal morphine is what is often given in the case of a caesarean (other than an epidural and a general anesthetic). A spinal tap is a lumbar puncture... something completely different to what you recieve before a caesarean.

    I just wanted to say this not to put those who keep saying "spinal tap," down, but because someone might google this, or stumble across this and I don't want them to end up confused.

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    To help get back on track I will answer the question in the OP

    ]Did you take any drugs during labor?
    I did take drugs during labour, yes, Not at very pre term labour 22 weeks well apart from the drugs to try and stop her being born but no pain releif, Same at the few more times I went into labour untill the time at about 34 weeks, At that time I was given drugs again to stop it and also some pain releif to relax me so I could go to sleep and hope the contractiosn would stop, after being in and out of labour frm 22 to 34 weeks it is serfice to say I was f*king over it. They tested my waters and bubs wasnt ready to be born so we was in the mode of anything to do to keep her in. I then had her at 35 weeks and she was born via a section I was given a spinal tap that did not work so i was given a epi

    If so, did you think about the risks involved as much as you did when you were considering whether consuming alcohol was a good idea?
    Yes and no, to me when the baby is being born it is formed and all its bits and bobs are in teh correct place, Pluss the fact that well one is for medical purpose the other is for recreational purposes so i see it as difernt. I did try to avoid useing pethadne and did to until 34 weeks and from memory it was more of a i was told i was having it then as apose to being asked, At 22 weeks i was given the choice.

    Thoughts?

    Just curious with all these alcohol threads going around and all, it always makes me wonder. I find it a bit odd that some people avoid everything like the plague when UTD but then take drugs when in labor.




    In short ( or maybe long lol we will see) I dont veiw the two as the same for the fact that alchohol is not used to assist with birth or make the birthing process less painful or to numb during a section is is done as purely a recreational thing.

    To me linking alchohol or ilegal drugs while pregnant to medicinal drugs during birth is like linking illegal drug use and binge drinking to the use of narcotics and mood stablisers in a hospital or clinical setting, One is used to assist quality of life and comofort under the strict guidlines of hte medical board the other is uses simply to self medicate and get sh*t faced, Personaly I dont see link.

    Saying that I dont find the question offensive or stupid the only stupiud question is the one that is not asked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elleandbump View Post
    And I had an epidural with my first after being told by an OB and a midwife there are some small risks but they're rare and not to worry about.

    Well I have a tender spot on my back, I had an epidural headache, I had the shakes, my temperature sky rocketed, she was born sluggish and sleepy and had terrible trouble feeding right from the start.

    Not everyone reacts badly to pain meds during labour, but not one knows for sure until afterwards. If someone had of told me that everything we went through could be caused by an epidural, I doubt I would have gotten one.
    And that is why I stated I wouldn't be talking about the dangers of pain meds in this thread, because I know that my experience, complication free, does not reflect the true risks.


 

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