I just thought I'd mention too, that in terms of sperm count, we've had fabulous success with something our FS suggested. It was as simple as a handful of Gojii berries and a handful of pumpkin seeds each day.
DP wasn't convinced, but humoured me for a month. In that time we saw his sperm count jump from 3 million to around 7 million which we hadn't seen happen in the six months previous to adding these into his diet.
He still wasn't convinced, so stopped taking them for two months (we weren't cycling then either) and his next count was 2 million!
Then he was convinced, so took them for a period of almost 3 months - gave up alcohol for the last month before cycling and his count was up to 12 million!
Pretty impressive. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to change his chromosomal issues and the count still wouldn't be high enough to fall pregnant naturally - but still... amazing what those little berries and seeds can do.
DP and I have started our chats about donor sperm. As predicted, they are very sad conversations. Not sure we have a definative answer yet, but we are getting there.
It would be so much easier if they could tell us definatively whether we could get pregnant using DP's sperm. There's a 'chance' we can - but how much time, money and emotional energy have we got? Such a hard decision...
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13-05-2010 10:19 #51
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13-05-2010 10:20 #52Senior Member
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I figure we have 2 months as well until we do ICSI so i want us both to be as healthy as possible for the next 2 months. My DH gave up alcohol for nearly 9 months not long ago but has started drinking (not heavy drinking) again recently, but i have told him come the end of May he cannot touch a drop!
Your DH sperm count is alot higher than my DH's so hopefully you are successful first time round.
13-05-2010 10:28 #53Senior Member
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I might have to get DH to start eating the berries and pumpkin seeds then!
I read on a website that DH should eat citrus fruit everyday, green leafy vegetables everyday and not to eat garlic or any spicy foods whilst trying to have a baby. I told my DH and was happy with all of that except the garlic part as we eat alot of garlic.
I have him on Menevit and another pill to help with sperm so hopefully this all works!
17-05-2010 19:45 #54
Hi guys, just thought Id introduce myself. DH and I have a DD who is 19mths old. We conceived her the first month after DH had a vasectomy reversal. We obviously went on thinking all was good.....We started trying again 9mths ago and finally I convinced DH there might be an issue and we got a SA done and found zero sperm. The 2nd SA confirmed no sperm. A blood test was done and the FS decided that DH has a blockage....We assume it must have been scar tissue that formed after the reversal surgery.
We are waiting to make an appointment to another FS that we have been reffered to (if they ever answer the phone or return messages). The first FS did say he didnt think we should go back and get the VR done again....but Im thinking about getting another opinion....
DH wasnt too upset about it (but he has two other children aside from our DD) and I think Id kinda figured there was an issue so I wasnt too upset just want the process to start so we can find out what we need to do. FS said DH is still producing sperm , they just cant get out.
I was hoping that we could get away with doing IUI but from all my reading they wont be able to get enough sperm to do that so we will probally need to do icsi....
Anyhow we are obviously at the very beginning of our journey and I have learnt so much just from reading your stories.
I wish the best for you all and hope there are many BFP's to come....
19-05-2010 11:05 #55
Thought I'd post our success stories in here for you all and what we did to achieve them. We suffer from both MFI and myself with PCOS so we have issues on both sides.
DH was diagnosed with MFI at the end of 2006. Count about 11M, low morph & low motility. I did a whole heap of research on the issue and he started taking goji berries (20g/day), macca powder (i think 2tsp/day), forelife preconception for men, viril x (one of those male sexual enhancer pills), folic acid (500mg), blackmores mens multi, CoQ10 and zinc as well as fish oil. We started IUI in Feb of 2007 and by our 3rd attempt in Apr we had our BFP and DH's count was over 70M and he had near perfect morph and motility. The FS was blown away.
Fast forward to Sept 2008 and us going back for #2. DH wanted to be tested again so we got the SCSA (highly recommend EVERYONE makes sure they get this as fragmentation greater than 30% usually means IVF will not work for you until prob is corrected). His count came back at a measely 2M, his motility was ok and morph just under but the fragmentation was at 27% which is so close to the cutoff. This time around he was on 20g goji berries/day, 1000mg Vit C & E and fish oil, 500mg folic acid (these all help with the fragmentation issues), menevit, viril X, selenium, blackmores multi, CoQ10, L-carnitine, inositol and zinc.
We tried two rounds of IUI but due to my issues of non response to low dose drugs had to move onto ICSI (my clinic automatically does ICSI usually). First cycle got a BFP but m/c at 6w. Did another fresh cycle (to create a store of frosties) and got our BFP and I'm due in under 3w. We did have one of our embryos show no sign of a male nuclei after ICSI was performed so they still got a bad sperm after wash but that was nothing compared to the ones that showed no female nuclei
From both the fresh cycles we did we ended up with 25% making it to blast stage and have 3 frosties after having tx'd 4 embies (always tx 2).
19-05-2010 21:11 #56Senior Member
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Congrats on #2. You must be excited with the birth not far away...
Your post was very interesting reading. Sounds like you've become something of a subject matter expert on MFI! I just have a couple of questions about the things your DH took to help. I wondered where you get goji berries from? And how you worked out about quantities of all the different things? For example, I know that Menevit has a bunch of things in it, but your DH was also taking extra selenium, Vitamin C and E and other stuff. I guess you were confident that none of the things would upset the balance? And also - did your DH also completely give up caffeine and alcohol?
We're trying naturally for #3 after a chequered fertility past and have just bombed out for another month . At 38.5, wanting to maximise the opportunities we have left...
many thanks for any advice you can provide and best of luck with the birth.
20-05-2010 06:45 #57
slinkymalinki: you could say im a bit of a research-aholic LOL! Luckily my DH is currently studying at uni so we have access to all medical journals and publications.
We always buy our goji berries from a health food store. If you're going to buy some try and get them in a foil sealed bag as they tend to not be as dry as those in paper bags.
Menevit has the bare minimum of most things in it unfortauntely. Selenium is the one thing you need to be cautious of as there is a max daily dose one if supposed to derive from supplments (you should be able to find out what that is online as I don't remember). DH's blackmores multi had selenium in it so we had to be careful with which seperate selenium we got him. As for the Vit C&E: we were advised by our FS to take at least the 1000mg/day to help correct the fragmentation issue. Very high level anti-oxidants are what are known to actually correct this problem hence the folic acid and the CoQ10 as well.
I'm pretty sure I just gave DH the recommended amount on the bottle for the L-carnitine which actually was one of my supps for PCOS but on doing more research it is related greatly to sperm as well and it is actually in quite a few of the male sexual enhancement type pills.
I don't beleive my DH was in balanace to begin with hence why there was MFI. I know with my PCOS most of my body (hormones etc) are out of balance and my body doesnt deal with certain naturally occuring things very well (inositol for example is dumped by my body 10x faster than a normal person) so I have to take a heap of it just to keep my body within 'normal' range.
As for the caffine and alcohol: We drink a cup of espresso coffee/day. A single shot worth but it is top quality which may or may not make a difference (in possibly what chemicals etc are used in processing). We make it at home so know there are no checmicals etc used in cleaning the machine and what not which again may or may not make a difference. Neither of us are big drinkers - DH and I would possibly have a bottle or two of wine/month when I'm not pg of course.
We also eat fairly well - with the exception of my DH's sugar addiction. We limit processed foods most of the time and any sugary things my DH gets are from the fresh bakery sections so that they contain less perservatives and crap in them then the type that sits on the shelf. We also stay away from fake sugars (so no diet labelled products containing these) as they can be quite toxic in the body.
Good luck with ttc and I hope you find success soon
20-05-2010 08:18 #58
Great idea for a thread. I originally thought my issues would be the main hurdle when we first started TTC over 2 years ago (PCOS and very irregular cycles) but an SA showed that DH has a lowish count of 11M and low motility and morph. We did a couple of stim cycles last year and i got heaps of eggs but our fert results have never been great. We have both been doing the Naturopath and Acupuncture thing for a long time but DH has ramped that up a bit in the past few months while we were on a break. he has been taking herbs, multi vitamin, extra Folic, antiox, tribulus and Acu every 3 weeks. he often forgets to take his herbs and a bottle that should last 35 days lasts him at least double that. I get angry with him because i do everything i can and sometimes i feel like he is being slack but to honest he is forgetful in general and doesn't do it on purpose. he has been willing to do whatever i want him to really. We have both cut our alcohol and he hasn't drank coffee for well over a year now.
The goji berries are a good idea, DH eats pumpkin seeds every now but i will get him to start taking them more often and include the gojies.
20-05-2010 20:52 #59Senior Member
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Hi again EarthAngel75
Just to say a big thank you for your detailed answer. I really appreciate you taking the time to write it and you give loads of good tips. Interesting to hear that Menevit has only the bare minimum. I didn't realise that. Thanks again
I have another question for anyone who might know the answer. Does a standard semen analysis ordered by a GP, which is performed by a normal pathology place, look at sperm morphology, or does it only look at numbers and motility? Reason I ask is that when we were TTC#1, the first SA done, which was ordered by our GP, did only numbers and motility. It was the IVF clinic lab which discovered poor morph, so I've always assumed that was a more in-depth/different test. I'm considering asking DH to do a SA but it would be important that it covered morphology.
thanks to anyone who can help
21-05-2010 18:54 #60
Hi all and Slinky.
My first and second SA's (It was so aweful) was scanned for morphology, motility and numbers as requested by my GP. These were the first two SA's that picked up my morphology problem and that would most probably, never allow a normal pregnancy.
Later at the IVF clinic I needed to do another SA to confirm the morph. problem. It seems they were accurate.
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